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Re: [ontolog-forum] The Open Group SOA Ontology

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From: "Toby Considine" <tobyconsidine@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:12:22 -0400
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Ed wrote:


With all due respect, I think the request/response interaction paradigm is fundamental to "service-oriented".  As discussed in other venues, the actual technical interaction can be more complex than request/response, but the fundamental paradigm cannot be.


This pre-supposes that REST is the end game of interactions. For point to point simple interactions, it probably is. There are a growing number of interaction patterns that are only possible with a message oriented response. As Woody Durham, the announcer for Tar Heel sports says in tight games, "It's time to go where you go and do what you do." These responses typify emergency management and defense scenarios. Other messages might include authorizations, charge back rules, and expiration dates, to be logged, cached, and only actually invoked when certain other events arrive.


I agree with Len. I think we are going to see emergent behaviors arising out of the interactions of many agents. The agents will meet the old models in isolation. If we do this badly, the only emergent behaviors will be panics, as in 8/15/2003. It is not hard to imagine other emergent behaviors, though…


And if biological-analogy emergent behavior sounds too touchy-feely, then maybe we should use the market semantics of emergent behaviors from the Chicago school economists…

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Ed Barkmeyer <edbark@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Thursday 17 July 2008 16:37, Duane Nickull wrote:
>> ...
>> DN: On this note, Bob Glushko and one of his friends wrote a very
>> funny article called XML fever.
> Eh?
> <http://mags.acm.org/communications/200807/>
> See the first article name beneath the issue theme "Web Science."
> - "XML Fever"
>   By Erik Wilde and Robert J. Glushko
>   "Don't let delusions about XML develop
>    into a virulent strain of XML fever."
>> I think Advanced symptoms include a
>> wicked urge to  do ontology work.  The link is here:
>> http://technoracle.blogspot.com/2008/07/doc-or-die-xml-fever.html

In my collection of aphorisms, I copied this from an email by a former
OO pundit:

"He has clearly been infected with XML retrovirus, which attacks
the central nervous system and higher brain functions, inducing
intense states of gullibility and suspension of disbelief."
       -- David Curtis


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Toby Considine
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