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From: | Pat Hayes <phayes@xxxxxxx> |
Date: | Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:37:41 -0500 |
Message-id: | <p06230909c3fcb712393d@[10.100.0.20]> |
At 5:18 PM -0500 3/11/08, John F. Sowa wrote:
Pat, [Cassidy]
axioms in the specialized, task-dependent modules. Look, guys, its important to get this clear. Ontological
differences like that between 4-d temporal ontologies and
continuant/occurrent temporal ontologies are NOT matters of detail.
One CANNOT ignore or bypass these differences by simply leaving them
out and retreating to a weaker ontology which can then be specialized
to give the version one prefers. They really are inherently,
profoundly, INCOMPATIBLE. Each of them makes assertions at the very
basic level which are simple necessary truths in one view of the world
and are, at the same time, nonsensical and incoherent in the other
view. And each of them is held with some degree of passion to be
OBVIOUSLY true (and the other OBVIOUSLY false or incoherent) by many
people.
I can only conclude, from your apparent failure to understand
this, that you have simply not had enough experience trying to
persuade people to agree about ontological matters. You are living in
a dream world in which all reasonable people will eventually agree,
since they must all be thinking the same way. Its just NOT
TRUE. People DONT agree, and they WONT agree. Please wake up and start
living the real world, because we have some real problems out here
that are not going to be solved by pretending that they don't
exist.
As I have spent many, many hours documenting this stuff in so
many email archives stretching now over more years than I care to
remember, I won't keep on arguing the point. After all, a country that
can waste 14 trillion dollars fighting a religious/civil war on the
other side of the planet can afford to spend a little money chasing an
impossible dream. But I would hate to see yet another promising
ontological engineering initiative get lost in the same swamp that has
consumed so many others.
Pat H
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