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Paola (02)
The problem, as I understand it, is can statements on the web be
used as a source to learn an ontology? If you need "context" to decide
what is relevant, then you are not using the web, but using the web PLUS
the knowledge you are trying to learn. (03)
Sean Barker
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Bristol, UK
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> Sean,
> thanks. But this is not just on the web though
>
> Take a phone book of London
> Look up Sean Barker
> How many will you find?
> Take any book, any dictionary, and look up common words in
> the glossaries, there are tons of possible instances, and
> unless you disambiguate with a context, you will not be able
> to distinguish such instances
>
> Take reality as a whole, pick a grain of sand in the desert
> can you differentiate it from another grain of sand in
> another desert without forensic analysis?
>
> If not entirely a waste of your time, could you please point
> me a bit further, and tell what does your example demonstrate
> that I am not grasping?
> thanks
>
> PDM
>
>
> On Feb 4, 2008 6:05 PM, Barker, Sean (UK)
> <Sean.Barker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > Paola,
> > Yes, your are missing my point. The use of "sean barker
> > ontology" specifically uses domain knowledge that "sean barker" is
> > not adequate as a way of identifying an individual. It also uses
> > domain knowledge about what terms are likely to provide a useful
> > filter. This knowledge is not directly available on the Web.
> >
> > I experimented finding the number of hits on a Google search with a
> > variety of qualifiers. The answer was that accuracy
> generally improved
> > with qualifiers based on domain knowledge, but even rubbish
> qualifiers
> > - including apple, elephant, camel and ADQ - could produce
> some hits.
> > In some cases, rubbish qualifiers actually improved the hit
> rate - for
> > example, PDF BAE gave 9 hits, while BAE alone gave only 7.
> >
> > That is, to learn from web facts about this particular
> "sean barker",
> > you would have to already know what you wanted to learn.
> >
> > Sean Barker
> > BAE SYSTEMS - Advanced Technology Centre Bristol, UK
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> > > Sean
> > > allow me to understand
> > >
> > > if I search for
> > > 'sean barker ontology' you are right there unmistakably for
> > > at least ten consecutive entrires
> > >
> > > if I wanted to restrict further nonetheless, I could add a
> > > couple more terms in my search key, such as company name
> or location
> > >
> > > The only problem that I have in extracting information from
> > > the thousand possible hits is to do a search for a unique
> > > key, which in this case is a combination of two values, both
> > > generic if taken individually, but that in combination narrow
> > > down the results almost inequivocably
> > >
> > > Your name+context indicator
> > >
> > > am I missing your point below?
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
> > > cheers
> > > PDM
> > >
> > > On Feb 1, 2008 4:33 PM, Barker, Sean (UK)
> > > <Sean.Barker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I would like to agree with Pat on this. According to
> > > Google, I am most
> > > > likely to be a basketball player or a science fiction character.
> > > > Conversely, it is also most unlikely that anyone except me could
> > > > accurately identify which of the 231,000 hits relates
> to me (I'm as
> > > > vain as anyone).
> > > >
> > > >
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