> [PatC] Perhaps we should start a Wiki page right now for the
> Ontology Summit 2008? Peter (Yim) – is that in the works yet? (01)
[ppy] not quite, yet ... but that can be brought up fairly quickly. I
(am, in fact, winding down for the Holidays but) will definitely try
to get this going later today or tomorrow. (02)
Thanks for the prompt, Pat. (03)
Cheers. =ppy
-- (04)
On Dec 21, 2007 10:10 AM, Patrick Cassidy <pat@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>
> PeterB,
>
> I have noticed a lot of good work being done in Europe, and hope we can
> get participants from there to provide the benefits of all the lessons they
> learn and resources they develop. Perhaps we should start a Wiki page right
> now for the Ontology Summit 2008? Peter (Yim) – is that in the works yet?
>
> Looking forward to the pointers you can provide to whatever you think is
> relevant. If there is a chance that we can get joint or coordinated funding
> from a European source as well as a US source (Japan?) it might make the
> proposal more effective. If it were possible to get some corporations to
> provide some support (employee time or cash) without imposing any
> proprietary restrictions, that might also add gravitas.
>
>
>
>
> Pat
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>
>
>
> Patrick Cassidy
>
> MICRA, Inc.
>
> 908-561-3416
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> cell: 908-565-4053
>
> cassidy@xxxxxxxxx
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>
>
>
>
>
> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter F Brown
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 11:54 AM
>
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> To: [ontolog-forum]
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Start thinking about the 2008 Ontology Summit
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>
>
>
> I would be interested in contributing the work that we are just finalising
> in the "eGovernment Focus Group" set up by the European standards agency,
> CEN. In this we have developed a high-level model for sharing information on
> eGovernment services, between humans and machines using Topic Maps (=
> "semantic web with a human face"!) and using an ATOM-based protocol for
> distributing ontology fragments through a decentralised, federated
> information space.
>
>
>
> I hope to have something for you for the 3rd Jan call or shortly afterwards.
> We will be presenting our demo for the first time publicly at the Microsoft
> Government Leaders Forum (GLF) in Berlin on 22nd January, following initial
> work sponsored by SUN Microsystems.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
>
> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Duane Nickull
> Sent: 21 December 2007 17:35
> To: [ontolog-forum]
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Start thinking about the 2008 Ontology Summit
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>
> +1 with the following additions (in time but designing a system to support).
>
> + Free public API's where organizations with folksonomies (tag clouds often
> represent these), can link terms in their folksonomies to disambiguate words
> like "Washington" which may have several meanings.
> + a system architecture with no single point of failure and a flexible
> service oriented approach to creating a platform for ontology work on the
> web
> + some artifacts to explain in simple lay terms, how to use the ontology
> and how to reference items in it from taxonomies and folksonomies with
> simple context and event declarations.
> + a strong thrust of work on context.
>
> Duane
>
>
> On 12/21/07 8:13 AM, "Patrick Cassidy" <pat@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
> I won't be able to participate in the Jan 3 call, I have a conflict.
> For the next ontology summit I would like to once again see if there is
> a path we can take to get agreement on some common foundation ontology. The
> first step is to identify some significant part of the ontology community
> that will make a serious proposal to a funding agency to support the efforts
> of an effective cross-section of the community of those who have worked on
> foundation ontologies and those who are building applications that require
> the reasoning capabilities that a FOL-based ontology can provide. I think
> it would be particularly helpful to have representation from those who are
> exploring the use of ontologies for natural language understanding in such a
> project. We have discussed this issue before, and at this time it would
> probably take over 5 million to support a basic effort of that kind. To get
> that kind of money we will need more of a consensus than has been visible up
> to now. But we have learned a lot in the past five years, and the time may
> be ripe for another attempt.
> The tactic I now think may have the best chance of moving forward is
> to structure the common foundation ontology as a 'conceptual defining
> vocabulary' that will have all the primitive concept representations
> necessary to create ontologies in any specialized area, with each element in
> each domain ontology specified as a combination of the primitive elements.
> That's the goal, and it will be approached incrementally over time as the
> foundation ontology expands to meet the needs of new applications. By
> viewing the foundation ontology in this way, I think it will be possible to
> keep the size at a level where it will not be too difficult to master.
> Wherever there is some disagreement on how to represent some particular
> idea, the disagreeing parties effort could focus on describing the
> differences in terms of formal representations – and the concept
> representations they agree on to describe the differences would then be
> candidates for inclusion in the foundation ontology, with the different
> views pushed out into extensions (or, if one prefers, different dependent
> ontologies in a "lattice of ontologies"). This tactic may increase the
> ability to agree on the most fundamental concept representations.
>
> The problem of interoperability is still facing us, and from the
> perspective of getting semantic interoperability at a level that can support
> automated decisions in a mission-critical application, I don't perceive any
> significant progress outside of the limited communities that each have fixed
> on some common upper ontology. I think we can do better to move toward a
> critical mass that attracts vendors of utilities and applications. As a
> scientific/engineering community it may be appropriate for us to feel an
> obligation to seriously explore all the possible ways to improve the utility
> of our ontologies. My suggestion is to explore the "conceptual defining
> vocabulary" tactic, and I hope we can have at least a few hour session at
> the Ontology Summit (or perhaps at FOIS, or both) for discussing that .
>
> If there is anyone else interested in exploring this approach, we can
> start discussions in this forum to identify the issues in this approach that
> need to be clarified, so that some portion of our community might be able to
> come to a consensus on whether or not to make a formal funding proposal.
>
> Meanwhile, have yourselves a Merry Little Christmas.
>
> Pat
>
>
> Patrick Cassidy
> MICRA, Inc.
> 908-561-3416
> cell: 908-565-4053
> cassidy@xxxxxxxxx
>
>
> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter F Brown
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 9:54 AM
> To: ray@xxxxxxxx
> Cc: [ontolog-forum]
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Start thinking about the 2008 Ontology Summit
>
> Hi Steve:
> I look forward to it, and hope to join the call on Jan 3 and submit some
> ideas then or before…
>
> As regards the dates, you might want to take account of the fact that OASIS
> have their AGM, Symposium and Board meeting in Santa Clara during the week
> 28 April to 2 May, so the Mon/Tue following would be ideal, at least for me
> who will be involved in all three, but also many potential participants who
> may well be at the Symposium at least.
> That said, I know from experience that trying to find available time
> windows is a nightmare….
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
>
>
> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Ray
> Sent: 21 December 2007 15:45
> To: '[ontolog-forum] '
> Subject: [ontolog-forum] Start thinking about the 2008 Ontology Summit
>
> As we have for the past two years, we are planning on holding a
> face-to-face meeting of the ontology community at NIST in the spring of
> 2008. We are ironing out some logistic details, but it is looking like a
> likely date is late April.
>
> The purpose of this email is to solicit ideas for the topic we tackle this
> year, and then undertake an online discussion culminating in the meeting.
> One possibility is to arrive at a resolution by the community to support an
> online ontology repository somewhere. This topic is going to be discussed
> anyway at the January 3rd Ontolog Forum conference call – you may want to
> call in. There are numerous other possibilities for the Ontology Summit –
> please submit your favorites.
>
> Steven R. Ray, Chief
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> National Institute of Standards & Technology
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