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From: Rex Brooks <rexb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:20:27 -0800
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Thanks Paola,    (01)

I have subscribed you to the Integrated Response 
Services Consortium mailing list, irsc-forum, and 
look forward to your ideas an contributions to 
the conversation.    (02)

Cheers,
Rex    (03)

At 7:17 PM +0700 11/20/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>Hi Rex
>thanks for the update
>I suspected that's where we are at, therefore my interest in sample data sets
>
>It would be good to have 'real world' data to test the new standards against
>
>I l'd be interested to join related effort, not so much because I have
>free time at the moment, but because I am sure there are useful
>resources buried/scattered that we could attempt to align towards
>progress in this vast and critical domain
>
>Please add me to the list, and let me know if I can help with
>something in particular (nothing too difficult I hope)
>
>I take this opportunity to remind you and others on this list, that
>there is a W3C Incubator on standby, for which a 3rd sponsor is
>required to start activities in the area
>
>esw.w3.org/topic/Charter_for_a_Proposed_W3C_Incubator_Group
>
>There the draft charter  may need one more round of
>revision/refinement and we welcome any W3C member who is active in
>this area to consider sponsoring the IG and help us move on there
>too..
>
>Also see the CFP  special session at  ISCRAM 2008 in Washington
>'Ontologies for Crisis Management'
>www.iscram.org/dmdocuments/ISCRAM2008/SpecialSessionsCFP/ISCRAM2008_CFP120.pdf
>
>
>cheers
>PDM
>
>
>
>On Nov 19, 2007 8:50 PM, Rex Brooks <rexb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>  Hi Paola, Sean,
>>
>>  We ran into exactly this problem with the first
>>  EDXL specification, EDXL-DE, the Distribution
>>  Element, where the different kinds of "events"
>>  initially led us to attempt what you are
>>  describing, with the same result, and before we
>>  came up with "a" solution, I actually wrote a
>>  small "event ontology" in Protégé to illustrate
>>  how this would, in theory, work and then put it
>>  into practice in a few example scenarios.
>>
>>  Later our Semantic Interoperability Architecture
>>  Pilot group ( formerly referred to as SIA-Pilot6
>>  & separate from the OASIS Emergency Management
>>  Technical Committee) settled on a data set from
>>  EPA incident management of a train derailment
>>  with a chlorine tank car rupture and release in
>>  Graniteville, South Carolina in January 2005 to
>>  use as a basis of an alerting demonstration.
>>
>>  In the EM TC we eventually arrived at a solution
>>  we named a "ValueListType." What this refers to
>>  is the citation of a keyword that is associated
>>  with a (namespaced) list of string values
>>  (names/labels) that is publicly published and
>>  maintained by some organization or entity for a
>>  specific category of information, such as
>>  sender/recipient types or roles, event types,
>>  command structure position titles, etc. This
>>  mechanism is now used consistently in EDXL
>>  specifications.
>>
>>  Obviously, we need the various global
>>  jurisdictions, local, state, provincial,
>>  national, international to publish and maintain
>>  these lists, and, in the US we are working with
>>  the IPAWS effort for this. IPAWS stands for
>>  "Integrated Public Alert and Warning System."
>>
>>  I/we suggest that these lists be published using
>>  the eXtended MetaData Registry (XMDR) which is
>>  based on ISO 11179. XMDR provides freely
>>  available software for this purpose.
>>
>>  IPAWS is being architected by Sandia National
>  > Labs by David Ellis who has worked with both the
>>  EM TC and the SIA-Pilot6 group, that was recently
>>  renamed "Integrated Response Services Consortium
>>  (IRSC). IPAWS will be handling security for
>>  trusted networks.
>>
>>  We are working on new demonstrations using
>>  EDXL-DE, CAP, and the newer EDXL specifications
>>  EDXL-HAVE (Hospital AVailability Exchange now in
>>  its second 60-Day Public Review) and EDXL-RM
>>  (Resource Messaging, which I'm editing and is
>>  about two months from being ready for its second
>>  60-Day PR).
>>
>>  IRSC welcomes any interested parties to explore
>>  joining our effort. Just send me an email and I
>  > will add you to our email list and you will be
>>  notified about upcoming meetings as we work on
>>  these demonstrations and on organizing our
>>  Consortium.
>>
>>  Our EM TC EDXL-RIM effort (Reference Information
>>  Model which will be expressed in RDFS and OWL as
>>  well as XSD) will specifically gather up such
>>  mechanisms as the ValueListType, our use of OASIS
>>  CIQ standard for "Contact Information" and the
>>  geo-oasis profile of GML we are working on with
>>  the OpenGeospatial Consortium.
>>
>>  In addition, I am working with a fellow
>>  participant from the OASIS SOA Reference Model
>>  TC's Reference Architecture Subcommittee (OASIS
>>  SOA-RM-RA SC) (in which David Ellis has also
>>  participated) to implement a federated two-domain
>>  set of ebXML-UDDI Web Service Registries within
>>  the IRSC effort to demonstrate an example OASIS
>>  SOA-RM-RA . These domains are Emergency
>>  Management and Health Informatics.
>>
>>  Cheers,
>>  Rex
>>
>>
>>  At 6:53 PM +0700 11/19/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>  >Sean
>>  >
>>  >  I would be interested in capturing such an interesting scenario
>>  >for research purposes - and evaluate feasibility of mapping the
>>  >different legacy system you are referring to identify  where
>>  >interoperability may be possible, and where not
>>  >
>>  >Ultimately, it is like translating between different languages and
>>  >cultures, this today is done routinely in many other domains, using
>>  >different frameworks
>>  >
>>  >Do you have some documentation/reference that I can look up?
>>  >
>>  >PDM
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >On Nov 19, 2007 5:47 PM, Barker, Sean (UK) 
>><Sean.Barker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>  Rex,
>>  >>
>>  >>      I tried to get a similar approach going in the EU project OASIS (no
>>  >  > relation) for a tactical situation object for emergency response, but
>>  >>  although we agreed on using a 
>>sort-of-taxonomy, an ontology was a step to
>>  >>  far.
>>  >>
>>  >>      I say sort-of-taxonomy. It was clear that with some twenty different
>>  >>  sorts of emergency responder to inform, and with different breakdowns of
>>  >>  responsibility between the member countries (there are some 20+ to
>>  >>  consider), that no classification single 
>>system would be used consistently
>>  >>  and even basic categories vary between service, location and country.
>>  >>  Consequently, in several areas, 
>>particularly that for identifying the type
>>  >>  of incident, we used an "anti-taxonomy", 
>>which identified multiple classes
>>  >>  of classification factors and provided a classification system for each
>>  >>  factor, but which did not identify an 
>>overall class. Consequently, there is
>>  >>  no classification "major-warehouse-fire", 
>>but separate classifications for
>>  >>  scale, site, and incident type (fire/flood/earthquake...).
>>  >>
>>  >>      One of the problems is that each responder has their own "legacy"
>>  >>  classification system, which cannot be 
>>easily replaced, since it is built
>>  >>  into the procedures and culture of the 
>>responding organization. Rather like
>>  >>  the Edison problem, the best we can do is 
>>pipe emergency situation messages
>>  >>  to each responder, and let them convert it into something that they can
>>  >>  consume. The critical problem is to ensure 
>>that the conversion process does
>>  >>  not lose too much of the original - in the case of emergency situation
>>  >>  messages, misunderstand does not create a 
>>significant risk to the lives or
>>  >>  health of the responders.
>>  >>
>>  >>  Sean Barker
>>  >>  Bristol, UK
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