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 To: Ingvar Johansson "[ontolog-forum]" Avril Styrman Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:21:32 +0200 <1194801692.47373a1c5f7b0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 ```Let the discussion be continued off-line.    (01) Avril    (02) Lainaus Ingvar Johansson :    (03) > Avril Styrman schrieb: > > Ingvar wrote: > > > >> 2. Armstrong thinks that there are no determinables, only > determinates; > >> I think both are needed in order to make sense of mathematical > physics. > >> That is, determinates (quantity values) exist only as > >> determinates-of-a-determinable (determinable = quantity dimension). > >> > > > > And this partly overlaps with your first point. > > No, the problem (i) whether it is possible to reduce determinable > properties to determinate properties is (at least to my mind) quite > distinct from the problem (ii) whether it is possible to reduce > substance universals to property universals. Neither is it identical > with (iii) the problem below of how to individuate instances of property > > determinates. Any reduction of determinable properties (such as length, > > mass, and electric charge) to determinate properties (such as 2.03 m > long, 5.67 kg mass, and 7.12 coulomb electric charge) must be able to > explain why it makes sense to add determinate lengths (or masses, or > electric charges) to each other, and why it does not make sense to add > determinates of different determinables (quantity dimensions) to each > other. Examples: 2.03 m + 5.67 m + 7.12 m = 14.82 m; 2.03 kg + 5.67 kg + > > 7.12 kg = 14.82 kg; and 2.03 c + 5.67 c + 7.12 c = 14.82 c. But: 2.03 m > + 5.67 kg + 7.12 c = 14.82 ??? > > > The problems with e.g. an > > absolutely determinate shade of red are clear. Consider that you have a > red > > car. The door of the car is red, but still there must be some > variation, > > > > Yes, but it must be a variation of the same determinable: *perceived* > color (which should be kept distinct from color in the sense of > frequency of electromagnetic radiation). > > > even though very little, in the shades of red of different parts of > the > > door. Just how small can be the smallest possible coloured part? > > As small as the smallest colored part that you are able to perceive, I > would say. > > Best, > Ingvar > > > >    (04) -- Always forward towards the supreme maxim of scientific philosophizing    (05) _________________________________________________________________ Message Archives: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/ Subscribe/Config: http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontolog-forum/ Unsubscribe: mailto:ontolog-forum-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Shared Files: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/ Community Wiki: http://ontolog.cim3.net/wiki/ To Post: mailto:ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx    (06) ```
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