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From: Ingvar Johansson <ingvar.johansson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:01:41 +0100
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John F. Sowa schrieb:
> Ingvar,
>       (01)

>> (3) The fact that, given the contemporary divsion of labor within the 
>> sciences, it befalls on pure philosophers to see whether what is said in 
>> all the different empirical disciplines make up a coherent picture. And, 
>> if not, propose solutions - and this philosophical-ontological task 
>> cannot be called conceptual analysis.
> The only point of disagreement is with the final sentence.  I would
> call that "philosophical-ontological task" conceptual analysis.
> The solutions that philosophers propose are a better set of concepts,
> which can serve as the building blocks for constructing scientific
> theories and for interpreting the data that can test those theories.
>       (02)

But then these philosophers are also conjecturing that these concepts 
have real-world referents, and then it is more than conceptual analysis.    (03)

> Scientists such as Einstein and Bohr did a lot of conceptual analysis
> in formulating their Gedanken experiments, which led to ontologies
> about the existence and nature of photons, atoms, electron orbits.
> They won Nobel prizes for formulating new sets of concepts and using
> them to reinterpret data that other scientists had gathered.
>       (04)

And since these data were assumed to represent something in nature, even 
some of the new concepts were assumed to represent something in nature.    (05)

> This view by no means trivializes philosophy.  People like Einstein
> and Bohr won their prizes in physics, and the AI pioneer Herb Simon
> won it in economics.  But their work was primarily philosophical
> -- i.e., conceptual analysis.
>       (06)

I find it very odd to call Bohr's new model of the atom a conceptual 
analysis. You are stretching the term 'conceptual analysis' far beyond 
its normal boundaries. And, BTW, Einstein did officially not get the 
Nobel prize in physics because of his relativity theory, since this was 
regarded as containing too much philosophy! Instead he got it with a 
reference to his work around the photoelectric effect.    (07)

Ingvar    (08)

> John
>       (09)

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