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Re: [ontolog-forum] Terminology Question concerning Web Architecture and

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From: "Azamat" <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:31:59 +0300
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"Formal meaning is just a mathematical curiosity and has nothing to
do with Real Meanings (the kind that really Matter in Human Discourse
in Society, or whatever), so whenever any formal inferences are done,
the formal conclusions lose all their Real Meaning and are just
mathematical curiosities of no real significance, devoid of any Real
Meaning content outside some narrow abstract mathematical domain."-----  
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From: "Pat Hayes" <phayes@xxxxxxx>
To: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" <pfps@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <chris@xxxxxxxx>; <linking-open-data@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; 
<semantic-web@xxxxxx>; <www-tag@xxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: Terminology Question concerning Web Architecture and LinkedData    (01)

>>From: noah_mendelsohn@xxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: Re: Terminology Question concerning Web Architecture and 
>>Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:55:54 -0400
>>>  I believe, however, that what we're discussing here is not just any old
>>>  RDF statment.  If I had made a statement that "the sky is green", Tim
>>>  might reasonable express the opinion "no, I think Noah has set out a 
>>> false
>>>  statement."  The case we're discussing is different, I think.  Tim is, 
>>> I
>>>  believe, responsible for the association between the URI
>>>  http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i and a resource, or we may
>>>  assume for the sake of argument that W3C has delegated that 
>>> responsibility
>>>  to him.  Tim states that the resource so designated is himself, then he 
>>> is
>>>  not offering an opinion: he is stating a fact about the resource that 
>>> he
>>>  has chosen to identify with this URI.  The dbpedia folks may similarly
>>>  establish authoritative associations between the URIs they control and
>>>  resources.
>>>  Noah
>>But what observable consequences come from this within a computational
>>Certainly statements like "the sky is green"
>> ex:sky ex:colour ex:green .
>>have consequences.  For example, if added to functionality of the colour
>>propery and uniqueness of colour objects, it is inconsistent with the
>>sky being blue.
>>However, what consequences can come from the association between a URI
>>and a (non-information) resource?  I can't think of any, and if there
>>aren't any then what is the point of arguing about the status of such
> I can think of many of them. Of course, they may not be *logical* 
> consequences. See
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/2003JanMar/0196.html
> Pat
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