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Re: [ontolog-forum] confounded models

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From: "Gary Berg-Cross" <gary.berg-cross@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:20:32 -0400
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Pat, Barry    (01)

Most authors who write biology text books don't know about, or aren't thinking 
about Taskian models.
They are thinking about real cells as know through theory and related 
biological models.    (02)

> So that a full model of the sentences in the biology textbook would
> have two kinds of cells, real ones and model ones?
> BS    (03)

No more or less , it seems to me, than two different biology books with 
slightly different sentences featuring certain aspects of cells could be said 
to have to different models.  Or take a book from 1970 and one from 2000, They 
have differences based on advancement.  They both are about real cells, just 
reflecting the author's different understanding of the field at the time.    (04)

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From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Pat Hayes
Sent: Mon 7/16/2007 1:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] confounded models    (07)




On Jul 16, 2007, at 4:10 AM, Smith, Barry wrote:    (08)

> At 12:14 AM 7/16/2007, Jon Awbrey wrote:
>> o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o
>>
>> BS: If we have a sentence in a biology textbook, say "blood cells
>> are non-nucleated",
>> then is this about cells in reality (as I, and I guess common sense,
>> would assume)
>> or about cells in the biology model?
>>
>> If by "about" we mean something like "applies to" or "true of",
>> is there any harm in saying that the sentences are about both?
>
>
> So that a full model of the sentences in the biology textbook would
> have two kinds of cells, real ones and model ones?
> BS
>
Or, a more charitable interpretation might be that one model of the 
sentences might have real cells in it, while another model might have 
model cells in it. Which does indeed seem to be an accurate statement 
about how Tarskian semantics captures a lack of information, by 
allowing more models than may have been intended. The 'model cells' 
might well be called, following mathematical precedent, 'non-
standard' cells.    (09)

Pat    (010)

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