I just realized that Paola expressed essentially the same idea as what
I just sent about Azamat's thoughts.
In a message dated 6/15/2007 8:14:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx writes:
Azamat,
thanks. I do not disagree with anything below. The
correct use of concepts, and derived terms, is indeed in the mind, not in the
machine, obviously.
However for humans to formalize the 'sensible
signs' that you refer to, conceptualization
of thoughts in their mind is a
necessary step.
In fact, before humans can produce something that
machine can use, a lot of conceptualization get scrapped
(iterations)
Eventually, after refinement, concepts take a shape that
can be consistently expressed and
via diagrams, notation. languages,
etc
What the machine will interpret, has to be first processed in the human
mind
And concepts are a device for that processing to take place,
imho...
PDM
On 6/15/07, Azamat
Abdoullaev <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Paola,
Try
to explain your concerns in a more systematic way. Knowledge systems,
as
semantic web applications, thinking machines, etc., are all designed
to be
using ''sensible'' signs (physical signals, codes, or words) in
order to
process and communicate information about things, processes,
facts, rules,
laws, feelings, ideas, thoughts, or concepts.
Unlike
the human brain, in the intelligent machines the symbolic codes
signify
things directly without the agency of concepts, constructs, notions,
categories or abstractions. This means that the nature of mechanical
meaning
is dependent on the types of symbols and the kinds of things
these symbols
denote (symbolize, stand for or name) or represent. And
that knowledge
machines are devoid of mental experience or meaningful
mental constructs.
The symbols processed by the mechanical
intelligence are the signs of
entities and hence they get their
significance without the mediation of the
conceptions of
human intellect ( note, the signification, not meaning; for
the symbol
signifies, via denotation and representation, while the construct
means,
via sense and reference). That is why the significance of symbols is
rather to come directly from the real objects denoted and
their
relationships connoted, thus leaving off all the conceptual
troubles
discommoding human beings.
With best
regards,
Azamat
Kenneth
Cliffer, Ph.D.
703-961-9614
cell: 703-919-0104
e-mail:
KCliffer@xxxxxxx
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