Sean and others
I am starting to work on a schema to define/classify events
Would you be able to save us some time and provide us with pointers to existing classification/definitions
such as
vocabulary for : emergency, crisis, disaster, other terms
events descriptions, codes, dependencis, triggers for the events that your workshop is concerned with
any other useful references
whatever we manage to collect would only be a starting point for the incubator group to discuss further
thanks a lot
PDM
On 6/7/07, Barker, Sean (UK) <Sean.Barker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I should declare an interest. Among other jobs, I am
vice-chair of a CEN workshop on a tactical situation message structure for
emergency response and disaster management. This includes a controlled
vocabulary structured a set of trees, one for each element of the message. One
particular problem is that of defining an 'event code', that is, what sort of
event is being dealt with.
The issue identified was that no single event code
structure would work, since each emergency service has a different structure of
codes. Analysis suggests that the event code is selected through a (probably
implicit) decision procedure based on the factors involved in the incident, such
as the cause (flood, fire...) or the 'actors' in the incident (train, wild
animals...). In some cases these factors are used as a heuristic to determine
the sort resources that the event needs - e.g. a road traffic accident is an
indicator of the types and numbers of casualties (multiple trauma), and the
sort of equipment needed to deal with the incident (compare to 'flood'). Since
the emergency services supply different sorts of capabilities, they can come to
very different conclusions as to the nature of the incident.
For example, in the UK, the Bunsfield fire was the biggest
fire in Europe since the Second World War, and from the fire view point was a
major incident, requiring resources from across the UK over several days. From
the ambulance view point, it would be a minor incident, since there were very
few injuries.
That is, I don't think that "event" can be represented by a
single ontology, and that it should be represented by a set of factor
ontologies (for scale, cause and actor) for which there is some measure of
agreement. Further, that what should be codified is the upper ontology, such
that the ontology can be extended by subclassing for the local situation - for
example, the upper ontology class "wild animal incident" might be subclassed in
Africa to "Elephant rampage", but that is not a code we would use in the
UK.
Any thoughts?
Sean Barker
BAE SYSTEMS - Advanced Technology
Centre
Bristol, UK
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I met Renato
Iannella a couple of weeks back, and we have had informal chats as to how to
proceed with this project, and we are now exploring possibilities. Today he is
inviting W3C members
to join this task, I ll pass this onto this list in
case someone is interested in helping with this effort.
( come in
please!)
http://esw.w3.org/topic/DisasterManagement
Rex,
We have suggested to Sahana's project leads to set up tests for EDXL
within Sahana, will let you know if something happens of it
(I am
still not happy with the term 'disaster management' but I guess that's a
formality that can be dealt with later?)
Cheers
Paola Di
Maio
On 4/28/07, Rex
Brooks <rexb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks Paola,
Testing is the intent. That's exactly what we want for the
specifications. Testing the Reference Information Model will be a bit more
challenging since its usefulness lies in being the source of common abstract
components for the EDXL family. As such it will always be evolving, as will
the individual specifications. We are well into the first stages of
collecting requirements for the next version of CAP and EDXL-DE, though, to
be honest, I really hope we keep bringing in more fresh recruits, with more
energy than some of us who are now working on their fifth and sixth and
seventh specifications seem able to muster. I've got about two or three more
specs left in my tank, and then I will seriously need a break.
Cheers,
Rex
Well
I cant think of a better way of
giving feedback on a standard than trying it out
I was thinking some
kind of user test
of course in addition on any other input that people
may have off the top of their heads
PDM
On 4/28/07, Rex Brooks <rexb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I can't speak for the TC, but getting this far was a big
hurdle, so I
don't want to make it seem like the TC is ready for
further steps,
even if I personally happen to be in favor of such
testing.
Cheers,
Rex
At 10:42 AM -0700 4/27/07, Peter
Yim wrote:
>Just to clarify
...
>
>> [PDM] .... we have
established that a schema IS NOT an ontology,
...
>
>[ppy] who are "we" ... and when was this
established?
>
>If you are referring to OntologySummit2007,
then I afraid the
>statement is misconstrued ... I think it was
repeated many times
>during the summit proceedings that "we were
not there to identify what
>"is" or "is not" an ontology, or even
to define "what is an ontology"
>.... we were only there to see
how we could better understand
>"ontology" and
"ontology-related"/"ontology-like"
artifacts.
>
>Regards. =ppy
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>
>On
4/27/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <
paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Dear Rex
and all
>>
>> thanks for
pointers
>>
>> I have circulated the edxl
review period link to peers before, I think
it
>> might be useful to test it againt specific use
cases
>>
>> Indeed this is
important
>>
>> I wonder if we could use
this opportunity as a testbed for the
proposed
>> framework
>>
>>
Should we create a conceptual link between the edxl schema to a
bigger
>> picture for
EM.
>>
>> I mean, we have
established that a schema IS NOT an ontology, and that
an
>> ontolopgy HAS schemas,
right?
>>
>> would this be a useful
exercise to plot this schema into a bigger, yet
to
>> become, em picture made of entities and
relationships and peoples and
things
>> would this help people
understand why edxl is important?
>> (I am still
thinking of joining the EMTC btw, long 'to do'
list)
>>
>>
PDM
>>
>>
>>
>> On
4/27/07, Rex Brooks <rexb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
Thanks for posting this to the Ontolog Forum,
Paola,
>> >
>> >
>> >
Since I work with Renato regularly in the OASIS Emergency
Management
>> Technical Committee (EM TC), if he
attends this conference, he can certainly
>> pass
along the views of our TC and the SC I co chair where we toil
away on
>> EDXL-RM and are awaiting the
set of specification requirements from
our
>> experts
group.
>> >
>> >
>> >
This brings up the first topic I would like to see passed along at
this
>> conference. EDXL-RM (Resource Messaging is
in its 60-day Public Review
>> period. It will still
be in the active review period during the
conference.
>> The URL for the announcement made to
the Ontolog Forum is
>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2007-04/msg00006.html
>> >
>> >
>> >
The announcement includes URLs for the document in several formats and
the
>> pubic comment form. The URLs include the
zipped package XSD files and it is
>> especially important to note that all of
the imported-cited specifications
>> and examples
are included for the convenience of implementers and
reviewers.
>> >
>> >
>> >
Last note that Renato can pass along is the fact that the EM TC
is
>> undertaking the development of the Emergency
Data Exchange Language
>> Reference Information
Model (EDXL-RIM) which will include an RDF Schema
and
>> an OWL-DL specification in addition to the
now-conventional XML Schema, so
>> we are actually
moving to the next level for structured
information
>> standards in providing an ontology
for the abstract reference information
> > model
that unifies existing EDXL specifications and can be used for
writing
>> the upcoming additions to the EDXL
family.
>> >
>> >
>> >
That does not mean that it is not an uphill struggle. TCs are
notoriously
>> literal-minded and stay close to the
concrete, but getting agreement to make
>> this
first step is a milestone in my opinion, and we have been
working
>> towards this for quite a while
now.
>> >
>> >
>> >
Cheers,
>> >
Rex
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
At 4:59 PM +0700 4/27/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx
wrote:
>> > Dear all
>> >
[apologies for cross
posting]
>> >
>> >
Following the ongoing discussion in this community, and latest thread
on
>> w3 list, I have been considering how best to
bring the
> > > emergency management ontology to
the industry discussion table, (other
>> than
starting a war)
>> >
>> >
Although I have not yet succeeded to have the topic included in
the
>> conference agenda
, peers attending ISCRAM in
Delft Holland 13-16 next
>> month also
consider the discussion important, so I am touching base with
a
>> couple of people with the idea of setting up a
BOF with the aim to get to
>> know each other and
exchange ideas
>> >
>> > I
am personally not likely to be in the conference (considering my
topic
>> of interest has not been included) but I'll
try to hang around a couple of
>> days in the
neighborhood so that we can get the discussion going,
and
>> hopefully have it included in the future
official editions of
the
>> conference.
>> >
>> >
I take this chance to invite anyone on this list or colleague,
especially
>> those likely to be physically in the
region who may want to come out for an
>> emergency
drink, to flag their interest, so that we can keep you posted
of
>> our
whereabouts
>> >
>> > Feel
free to forward Renato's email below, sent to w3
list
>> >
>> >
Cheers
>> > Paola Di
Maio
>> >
>> >
FORWARDED
>> > Hi all - a few of us attending the
ISCRAM Conference have proposed a
>> > BOF on
"Ontologies for Emergency Management"
>> > which
is receiving lots of interest from the community and
standards
>> >
groups.
>> >
>> > See <
http://esw.w3.org/topic/DisasterManagement > as
an
>> example.
>> >
>> >
If you are interested, the please email me directly and we
will
>> > arrange for appropriate logistics at
Delft.
>> >
>> >
Cheers...
>> > Dr Renato
Iannella
>> > Principal
Scientist
>> > NICTA, Level 19, 300 Adelaide St,
Brisbane, QLD, 4000 AUSTRALIA
>> > [t] +61 7 3000
0484 [f] +61 7 3000 0480 [m] +61 4 1313 2206
>> >
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[w] http://nicta.com.au [i]
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>> > [v]
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>> >
>> >
>> >
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