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Re: [ontolog-forum] Infrastructure for ... A "common basis"

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From: "Cassidy, Patrick J." <pcassidy@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 23:04:40 -0400
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If there is a site available, I suggest we contact the XMDR team:
  http://xmdr.org/related_sites.html    (01)

 . . .  To see if they have yet identified an actual repository that
will use their registry standard.  They have been working to devise a
registry standard as a successor to 11179, specifically to handle
metadata relevant to ontologies and their relations    (02)

Pat    (03)

Patrick Cassidy
CNTR-MITRE
260 Industrial Way West
Eatontown NJ 07724
Eatontown: 732-578-6340
Cell: 908-565-4053
pcassidy@xxxxxxxxx    (04)


> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter
Yim
> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:52 PM
> To: [ontolog-forum]
> Subject: [ontolog-forum] Infrastructure for ... A "common basis"
> 
> [branching off the thread here ...]
> 
> >> [DH] do you think Ontolog should organize itself to be the
> >> custodian of all this? If not, who would watch over it?
> 
> > [JS] Ontolog is not currently designed for such a function,
> > but that might be something that could be taken on by
> > a consortium that might evolve out of Ontolog participants.
> >
> > That is a good point to discuss.
> 
> [ppy]  I welcome the discussion to explore this further.  .... I
would
> even offer to (have CIM3) provide the collaborative infrastructure
for
> such an endeavor.
> 
> CIM3 is already:
> 
> (a)  working on a collaborative ontology development and repository
> service infrastructure with the Protege team (see "CODS":
> http://protege.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ProjectsThatUseProtege
> #nid5JM).
> 
> (b) We're also hosting some of the SUMO work (e.g. as in the Ontolog
> CCT-Rep project -
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/ontology/UBLONT/CCTONT-works
> heet-v0-4.html),
> and
> 
> (c) providing platform for the ONTAC-WG (ref:
> http://colab.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologyTaxonomyCoordinatingWG)
> 
> Regards.  =ppy
> --
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Duane Nickull <dnickull@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: May 3, 2007 6:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] A "common basis"
> To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> 
> As a former registry-repository company CTO, I give #1 a BIG 
> thumbs up.
> This would be a great manner in which to capture and share 
> knowledge.  Ed
> Buchinski, from the Canadian Government, has been trying to 
> get this sort of
> a project afloat for years.
> 
> Duane
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Doug Holmes <dholmes@xxxxxxx>
> Date: May 3, 2007 5:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] A "common basis"
> To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> John
>         That's what I thought, too...
> Doug
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: John F. Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: May 3, 2007 5:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] A "common basis"
> To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> Doug,
> 
> That's a good question.
> 
>  > do you think Ontolog should organize itself to be the
>  > custodian of all this? If not, who would watch over it?
> 
> Ontolog is not currently designed for such a function,
> but that might be something that could be taken on by
> a consortium that might evolve out of Ontolog participants.
> 
> That is a good point to discuss.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Doug Holmes <dholmes@xxxxxxx>
> Date: May 3, 2007 4:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] A "common basis"
> To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> John,
>         I know this is notional and that you're sketching an 
> architecture.
> Nevertheless, do you think Ontolog should organize itself to be the
> custodian of all this? If not, who would watch over it?
> Doug
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: John F. Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: May 3, 2007 4:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] A "common basis"
> To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> I would like to make a suggestion about the question of
> common vs. federated approaches to sharing ontologies.
> 
> Unless we have a detailed specification of what features
> would be in either a common approach or a federated approach,
> we have no clear basis for comparison.  Therefore, I'll begin
> with some suggestions for what I'd like to see:
> 
>   1. A repository, based on the ISO Metadata Registry standards,
>      for organizing and making available ontologies, large and
>      small, their pieces, components, or modules, and all the
>      info about who, what, when, where, how, and why.
> 
>   2. Translators for logic-based languages, at least Common Logic
>      and the W3C standards, but also any others that anyone might
>      wish to contribute.
> 
>   3. Tools for aligning ontologies and modules of ontologies.
> 
>   4. Collections of all the ontologies and modules anyone might want
>      to contribute, either for free or for whatever fee the developer
>      wishes to charge.  SUMO, OpenCyc, DOLCE, BFO, and any others
>      would all be included.
> 
>   5. Etc. (open invitation for anyone to add their "druthers").
> 
> This approach is necessary for a federated approach and it would be
> extremely useful for the current state where multiple groups are
> proposing competing (or cooperating) ontologies.
> 
> Instead of debating which approach is better, I suggest that we
> start designing something along the lines above and let users
> "vote with their feet" for whichever collection(s) of resources
> they find most useful.
> 
> John Sowa
>  
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