Thank you for the input (Steve, Kathleen, John, Duane, ChrisM et
al. ...) (01)
Looks like those who were at today's Ontolog call concurs too.
Here's how it turned out: (02)
// - ref:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2007_03_22#nidVBT (03)
** discussion: should we split the mailing list so the series
technical discussion have their own list (without getting members
who just want to be involved in the general discussion
overwhelmed) {nid VBT} (04)
*** ref:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2007-03/msg00378.html
{nid VEK} (05)
*** the general feeling of this meeting is that the
inter-disciplinary collaboration and learning opportunity is way
too precious to forfeit (which we will if we spin off the current
discussion to another list). We should not spin-off the
discussion list; client-side message filtering (helping people
put the ontolog meesgae into a separate folder) is preferrable.
{nid VFA} (06)
**** a wiki page has already been set up, please help populate
that page with instructions on how to set filters up (for
different mail clients; and other means of helping users handle
our forum traffic.) See:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?DealingWithMailingListTraffic
{nid VFB} (07)
*** maybe some fine tuning of the "digest" mode threshold could
help too (unfortunately, the threshold that can be tuned is in
number of KB and not the number of message in the mailman system
that is being used. The latter would have been great.) {nid VFC} (08)
// (09)
Let's focus on getting people to help populate that "Dealing With
Mailing List Traffic" page on the wiki, then. (010)
A big "Thank You" to all for your input. (011)
Regards. =ppy
-- (012)
Steve Ray wrote Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:27:15 -0700:
> I concur. For the time being I'm simply auto-filing the many messages, and
>will
> resume reading them when the tempo decreases. In the long run, I think there
> will be unnecessary confusion over many different mail addresses if we split
>it up.
>
> - Steve Ray (temporarily connected to the internet) (013)
> Quoting Kathleen A Ellis <ELLIS_KATHLEEN_A@xxxxxxxxx>:
>
>> Peter,
>>
>> I'm a librarian and belong to "taxonomy, thesauri, ontology" group. I
>> joined this list to learn more about ontologies and the technology behind
>> them and haven't been disappointed. I expect and accept that I will have a
>> hard time following some of the discussions. I don't think that you should
>> segregate into more lists. I agree with John Sowa the volume will drop
>> eventually.
>>
>> Kathy
>> __________________________________________
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>> Peter Yim
>> <peter.yim@xxxxxx
>> om> To
>> Sent by: "[ontolog-forum]"
>> ontolog-forum-bou <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> nces@xxxxxxxxxxxx cc
>> .net
>> Subject
>> Re: [ontolog-forum] spinning-off
>> 03/21/2007 11:27 the volume traffic from the
>> PM general discussion list
>>
>>
>> Please respond to
>> "[ontolog-forum]
>> "
>> <ontolog-forum@on
>> tolog.cim3.net>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> John et al.,
>>
>> Good insight, John. ... I agree.
>>
>> Therefore, if we were to segregate into more lists, it probably should
>> come from the notion that:
>>
>> (a) [ontolog-forum] remians the general discussion list, which also
>> serves as the marker of Ontolog community membership.
>>
>> (b) other lists should best be created for:
>>
>> (b.1) special purposes: like "announcements" (where a broadcast list
>> function is needed, and which actually differs from that of a
>> discussion list), "admin", "test", ... etc., or
>>
>> (b.2) the purpose of helping cluster sub-groups of the overall
>> membership by their interests or activities.
>>
>> With the Ontology Summit 2007 initiative, with the theme of "Ontology,
>> Taxonomy, Folksonmy: Understanding the Distinctions" we are actually
>> expanding the reach of our membership to cover constituencies that
>> never used to be prominently represented in the Ontolog membership
>> before (while we may or may not succeed in the endeavor, I purport
>> that it is a good thing.)
>>
>> Therefore, with an expanded representation, the pertinent question is
>> "Are all members (now and coming) interested in the same discussions?
>> (volume aside)" ... if so, maybe we shouldn't consider spinning some
>> of the discussion to a new list at all. If not, then, we should at
>> least give the matter due consideration in this light (although that
>> still doesn't mean we need to split).
>>
>> Along the same line of thought, we actually have both "formal" and
>> "informal" ontology in our charter. Are these the same (cluster of)
>> people, or naturally different clusters ?
>>
>> I am personally in favor of the general "membership discourse" staying
>> on one list ... because there is so much we can learn from one
>> another, even (especially?) when we are NOT from the same constituency
>> ... I believe a lot of value can be derived from it.
>>
>> ... it is when we go into specific projects (where there are 'real
>> world' constraints like schedules, deadlines, deliverables, team
>> organization and structures, ...etc.) that we need specific
>> project-based lists (for the specific team members of the project.)
>> .... and that is almost WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
>>
>> So, maybe proper client-side message filtering could do the trick
>> after all. And, as Duane suggested earlier (and Chris Menzel actually
>> started, a while back, ref:
>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2007-02/msg00036.html), we
>> should put effort into helping people set up their message filters,
>> instead.
>>
>> Did you mean to suggest that we should stay put, John?
>>
>> Anyone else ... other thoughts?
>>
>> Regards. =ppy
>> --
>>
>>
>> On 3/21/07, John F. Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> I realize that the volume has been rather high lately,
>>> but I suspect that it won't remain so high.
>>>
>>> What often happens on many email lists is that a few
>>> issues come up that many people are concerned about.
>>> That will stimulate some heated exchanges over a
>>> period of a week or two.
>>>
>>> But after a while, everybody has more or less exhausted
>>> what they had to say on that range of issues, and the
>>> list becomes much quieter.
>>>
>>> I doubt that the high level of activity on this list
>>> will last much longer.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
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