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Re: [ontolog-forum] Role of definitions (Remember the poor human)

To: "Olken, Frank" <folken@xxxxxxx>
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From: Pat Hayes <phayes@xxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:32:55 -0600
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>Concerning the issue of definitions, I am inclined to mostly agree
>with Barry Smith (although he will probably object to "concepts".
>1) In recent terminology/metadata standards names
>(or more commonly terms - since (proper) names may designate
>designate concepts which have "definitions" - either in natural
>language and/or formal definitions.  There is some shift to
>using "signs" as a generalization of "names" in recent standards.    (01)

FWIW, the Common Logic standard is explicit in 
allowing non-lexical entities to count as 'names' 
(in CL, a sign which refers), so that one could 
in principle define a CL dialect which used, say, 
images to refer to entities or concepts.    (02)

>Often a given concept will have multiple "names" in several
>languages.    (03)

Indeed, or even in the same language.    (04)

>2)  The formal definitions are just collections of axioms
>which constrain a particular concept (represented by a symbol
>in the axiom).    (05)

Er... which collection? Suppose A 'defines' 
concept C in this sense and B 'uses' C. Then both 
A and B are collections of axioms involving C. 
Nothing in the semantics gives A a different role 
than B in constraining which interpretations of 
A+B satisfy the axioms. This is one reason I see 
no utility in making this distinction between 
'definition' and mere assertion. There is 
considerable danger in trying to strengthen the 
semantics to make the distinction more 
meaningful, and as far as I can see, almost no 
pragmatic utility. The entire SWeb apparatus for 
example does not seem to need it. Issues of 
updating, truth maintenance and so on are handled 
by such devices as issue dates, assertions of 
deprecation and so on, rather than by appeal to 
'definitions'. (There is a good engineering 
reason for this. Definitions are created early in 
the life-cycle, but during the history of any 
long-lived ontology, one gets a better ability to 
decide which parts should be modified later 
rather than earlier. So if B updates A, then B 
should be able to modify anything in A.)    (06)

>  As Barry (and others) have noted,
>it is generally more convenient for the human
>users of such ontologies if they can readily examine the collection
>of axioms which constrains the semantics of a particular concept.    (07)

True, but what if they are distributed all over 
the Web? One can say it would be better for 
people if all the webpages relevant to any query 
were all found in one place, which is probably 
true in the same, but isn't a useful guide to Web 
architecture. We have to manage with the facts of 
how information is distributed.    (08)

>It may also help some reasoning systems if the axioms relevant to
>a concept are grouped together.    (09)

But a lot more is relevant to reasoning than simply a definition.    (010)

>However, if several "concepts" are defined by a collection
>of axioms it may be difficult to untangle the collection of axioms
>into individual "definitions".    (011)

It may be *impossible*. In fact, it *usually* is. 
And even when it can be done, setting out to do 
so is counter to one of the basic intuitions of 
the Sweb view, which is that one might find 
useful information about a concept from many 
sources, not all of which have been found at any 
given moment. One should think of the 'normal' 
case being that in which the set of axioms is 
open-ended and may be extended at any time.    (012)

>3)  There is the problem of reconciling natural language definitions
>used in conjunction with formal definitions.    (013)

Indeed.    (014)

Pat Hayes    (015)

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>Subject: [ontolog-forum] Role of definitions (Remember the poor human)
>>I would prefer that we don't say that names are "defined". Very few
>>ontology languages provide for actual definitions of names, and several
>>that once did (notably KIF) no longer do. Explicit definitions are
>>semantically troublesome, practically of no actual use, create
>>paradoxes, and generally have negative utility. The entire SWeb
>>apparatus has no definitions in it anywhere, nor is it likely to in the
>>future. It is very hard to even see what it would mean to define a
>>globally useable name. Let us just say that names occur in ontologies,
>>and ontologies constrain the meaning of names.
>  From my experience working with biologists and medical researchers on
>ontologies, definitions (ideally both natural language definitions and
>equivalent formal definitions) play a very useful role when it comes to
>ensuring that ontologies are populated in consistent ways across
>disciplines and subsequently used correctly (or indeed at all) in
>practical applications. Most of those involved in such use will not have
>logical or computer science expertise. Where else should they turn to
>find out what a term means?
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