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From: "Sanchez, Arturo" <asanchez@xxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:33:42 -0400 (EDT)
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Hello to all of you.
There is also the model-theoretic side of
this discussion. As an example see:    (01)

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/model-theory/    (02)

Regards,    (03)

        -Arturo    (04)

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Vinay K. Chaudhri wrote:    (05)

>
> Hello All:
>
> This point was quite eloquently made by Drew McDermott in his seminal 
> technical note
>
> Artificial Intelligence Meets Natural Stupidity
>
> This article makes a very interesting read, and is available at:
>
> 
>http://portal.acm.org/ft_gateway.cfm?id=1045340&type=pdf&coll=GUIDE&dl=GUIDE&CFID=69268953&CFTOKEN=42244022
>
> Vinay
>
>
>
> Adam Pease wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>   My thanks to Patrick for persevering with this discussion, and taking 
>> the time to organize it for everyone's benefit.
>> 
>> Adam
>> 
>> At 12:03 PM 4/11/2006, Patrick Durusau wrote:
>> 
>>> Greetings!
>>> 
>>> Adam Pease and I continued our discussion off-list and we both think that 
>>> the results of that discussion may be of broader interest.
>>> 
>>> I asked Adam to be more specific about what he means by: "meaing is 
>>> contained in the formal mathematics?"
>>> 
>>> The reason I asked that is I was interpreting the "terms," "linguistic 
>>> names" to be meaningful in and of themselves.
>>> 
>>> Adam responded with the following explanation:
>>> 
>>> ***
>>> The meaning of '+' has a formal definition (at least thanks to the 
>>> Principia Mathematica).  The issue of grounding '+' to language or 
>>> thought is orthogonal to its formal meaning.  The meaning of the 
>>> arithmetic symbols is no more and no less than their formal mathematical 
>>> definition.  So it is with terms in a formal ontology.
>>> If I define
>>> 
>>> (=>
>>> (instance ?X Human)
>>> (instance ?X Mammal))
>>> 
>>> or in conventional logic notation
>>> 
>>> Human(x) -> Mammal(x) ,
>>> 
>>> unless I make additional formal statements, this is identical in meaning 
>>> to
>>> 
>>> Foo(x) -> Bar(x)
>>> 
>>> The meaning of the terms is not in the linguistic names of the terms, but 
>>> in its formal mathematical definition.
>>> ***
>>> 
>>> What was the "A ha!" moment for me was realizing that Adam meant that in 
>>> the formal statement Human(x) -> Mammal(x), that Human(x) and Mammal(x) 
>>> only have the meaning that is defined by the operator, ->. The meaning of 
>>> the terms is defined by the operator in formal statements.
>>> 
>>> Granted that with a single formal statement we don't know much, a 
>>> cumulation of formal statements "define" the terms or linguistic labels. 
>>> Each part of the complete "definition" of a term is defined by the formal 
>>> operators in the statements in the ontology.
>>> 
>>> Where I was going off-track was in thinking that the terms or linguistic 
>>> labels had more meaning than was being defined by the formal operator.
>>> 
>>> When I posted the foregoing to Adam, he pointed out that defining meaning 
>>> was not limited to operators. I had just assumed that but he suggested 
>>> the following to make that clear:
>>> 
>>> ***
>>> We're getting very close here.  The only refinement I'd suggest is that 
>>> it's not just logical operators like '=>', 'and', 'or' etc. that give 
>>> terms meaning, but also relations and functions, as well as the entire 
>>> relationship (which includes another or several other terms).
>>> For example (using SUO-KIF and existing SUMO terms):
>>> 
>>> (=>
>>> (and
>>>   (instance ?X Head)
>>>   (part ?Y ?X))
>>> (exists (?Z)
>>>   (and
>>>     (instance ?Z Organism)
>>>     (part ?Y ?Z))))
>>> 
>>> The formal meaning of "Head" is provided by a number of axioms, but even 
>>> in this axiom, it's not just the logical operators of '=>', 'and' and 
>>> 'exists' that provide that meaning, but the entire statement, including 
>>> the relationship to "Organism" formed by the entire statement, and the 
>>> use of the particular SUMO relation "part".
>>> ***
>>> 
>>> Note that Adam's original point about the linguistic label "Head" still 
>>> obtains. The label has no "intrisic" meaning, only formal meaning as 
>>> defined.
>>> 
>>> Hope everyone is having a great day!
>>> 
>>> Patrick
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Patrick Durusau
>>> Patrick@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Chair, V1 - Text Processing: Office and Publishing Systems Interface
>>> Co-Editor, ISO 13250, Topic Maps -- Reference Model
>>> Member, Text Encoding Initiative Board of Directors, 2003-2005
>>> 
>>> Topic Maps: Human, not artificial, intelligence at work!
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