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From: "Vinay K. Chaudhri" <Vinay.Chaudhri@xxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:18:44 -0700
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Hello All:    (01)

This point was quite eloquently made by Drew McDermott in his seminal 
technical note    (02)

Artificial Intelligence Meets Natural Stupidity    (03)

This article makes a very interesting read, and is available at:    (04)

http://portal.acm.org/ft_gateway.cfm?id=1045340&type=pdf&coll=GUIDE&dl=GUIDE&CFID=69268953&CFTOKEN=42244022    (05)

Vinay    (06)



Adam Pease wrote:    (07)

> Folks,
>   My thanks to Patrick for persevering with this discussion, and 
> taking the time to organize it for everyone's benefit.
>
> Adam
>
> At 12:03 PM 4/11/2006, Patrick Durusau wrote:
>
>> Greetings!
>>
>> Adam Pease and I continued our discussion off-list and we both think 
>> that the results of that discussion may be of broader interest.
>>
>> I asked Adam to be more specific about what he means by: "meaing is 
>> contained in the formal mathematics?"
>>
>> The reason I asked that is I was interpreting the "terms," 
>> "linguistic names" to be meaningful in and of themselves.
>>
>> Adam responded with the following explanation:
>>
>> ***
>> The meaning of '+' has a formal definition (at least thanks to the 
>> Principia Mathematica).  The issue of grounding '+' to language or 
>> thought is orthogonal to its formal meaning.  The meaning of the 
>> arithmetic symbols is no more and no less than their formal 
>> mathematical definition.  So it is with terms in a formal ontology.
>> If I define
>>
>> (=>
>> (instance ?X Human)
>> (instance ?X Mammal))
>>
>> or in conventional logic notation
>>
>> Human(x) -> Mammal(x) ,
>>
>> unless I make additional formal statements, this is identical in 
>> meaning to
>>
>> Foo(x) -> Bar(x)
>>
>> The meaning of the terms is not in the linguistic names of the terms, 
>> but in its formal mathematical definition.
>> ***
>>
>> What was the "A ha!" moment for me was realizing that Adam meant that 
>> in the formal statement Human(x) -> Mammal(x), that Human(x) and 
>> Mammal(x) only have the meaning that is defined by the operator, ->. 
>> The meaning of the terms is defined by the operator in formal 
>> statements.
>>
>> Granted that with a single formal statement we don't know much, a 
>> cumulation of formal statements "define" the terms or linguistic 
>> labels. Each part of the complete "definition" of a term is defined 
>> by the formal operators in the statements in the ontology.
>>
>> Where I was going off-track was in thinking that the terms or 
>> linguistic labels had more meaning than was being defined by the 
>> formal operator.
>>
>> When I posted the foregoing to Adam, he pointed out that defining 
>> meaning was not limited to operators. I had just assumed that but he 
>> suggested the following to make that clear:
>>
>> ***
>> We're getting very close here.  The only refinement I'd suggest is 
>> that it's not just logical operators like '=>', 'and', 'or' etc. that 
>> give terms meaning, but also relations and functions, as well as the 
>> entire relationship (which includes another or several other terms).
>> For example (using SUO-KIF and existing SUMO terms):
>>
>> (=>
>> (and
>>   (instance ?X Head)
>>   (part ?Y ?X))
>> (exists (?Z)
>>   (and
>>     (instance ?Z Organism)
>>     (part ?Y ?Z))))
>>
>> The formal meaning of "Head" is provided by a number of axioms, but 
>> even in this axiom, it's not just the logical operators of '=>', 
>> 'and' and 'exists' that provide that meaning, but the entire 
>> statement, including the relationship to "Organism" formed by the 
>> entire statement, and the use of the particular SUMO relation "part".
>> ***
>>
>> Note that Adam's original point about the linguistic label "Head" 
>> still obtains. The label has no "intrisic" meaning, only formal 
>> meaning as defined.
>>
>> Hope everyone is having a great day!
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>> -- 
>> Patrick Durusau
>> Patrick@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> Chair, V1 - Text Processing: Office and Publishing Systems Interface
>> Co-Editor, ISO 13250, Topic Maps -- Reference Model
>> Member, Text Encoding Initiative Board of Directors, 2003-2005
>>
>> Topic Maps: Human, not artificial, intelligence at work!
>>
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