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Re: [ontolog-forum] Updating the Ontolog Charter ... definitions and UBL

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Cc: Jon Bosak <Jon.Bosak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
From: Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 02:10:42 -0800
Message-id: <42259122.6060104@xxxxxxxx>
Good questions, Duane.    (01)

Before I start to answer, let me pull out the our current 
charter: (ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl#nid011 )    (02)

//
= Charter of the Ontolog Forum =    (03)

    Ontolog is an open forum to:    (04)

     * Discuss practical issues and strategies associated with 
the development of both formal and informal ontologies used in 
business.    (05)

     * Identify ontological engineering approaches that might be 
applied to the UBL effort (and by extension, to the broader 
domain of eBusiness standardization efforts).
//    (06)

1. ref your question about formal definitions -- we don't really 
have definitions of an "ontology" that is "adopted" by Ontolog 
per se. For me (who roots for the 'augmentation' camp, and not 
the 'AI' camp), I would start from Tom Gruber's definition that 
an ontology is a specification of a conceptualization, and extend 
from there to say that a 'formal' ontology is a specification of 
a conceptualization represented in a formal logic language; and 
an 'informal' ontology is a specification of a conceptualization 
represented and shared in a language that may, or may not be 
fully formal and computable.    (07)

Of course, there are people who would argue that the latter can't 
even be called an ontology (but then ... that would only be a 
naming issue).    (08)

One might refer to the Tom Gruber interview on AIS SIGSEMIS at 
http://www.sigsemis.org/newsletter/october2004/tom_gruber_interview_sigsemis 
(an article that Bob Smith alluded me to earlier, and which I 
have seen quoted by Brand Niemann and Mary Pulvermacher of Mitre 
since) when he did discuss formal, informal and semi-formal 
ontologies (see para. 3 in the article).    (09)

As for various discussions on definitions of ontologies, as well 
as the treatment of the big 'O' (the philosopher's Ontology) and 
the small 'o' (the computer scientist's ontology), that have 
appeared in our space, I recall the following, which are all 
worth referring back to (I'm sure I have missed some too):    (010)

(a) Slides 9~13 of the presentation by Obrst/Park/Yim 
(2-Apr-2002) that effectively started Ontolog (or the precursor 
of it) - ref: 
http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum//ontolog-forum/2002-05/msg00005.html    (011)

(b) definition on the W3C OWL Use Cases and Requirements (mainly 
Leo Obrst's contribution)    (012)

(c) wikipedia entries - both big 'O' and small 'o'    (013)

For both of the above, see:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RecommendedReadingResource#nid04    (014)

(d) Bo Newman's post (ref. both big and small 'O'): 
http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum//ontolog-forum/2002-10/msg00034.html    (015)

(e) Bill McCarthy's post (ref. enterprise ontologies): 
http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum//ontolog-forum/2003-01/msg00017.html    (016)

(f) see also: Robert Garigue's post: 
http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum//ontolog-forum/2005-01/msg00024.html    (017)

2. As to why 'UBL' ... that's inherited    (018)

(a) of course, because I copied that from the original charter 
(see above),    (019)

(b) for those who may not be aware, the Ontolog discussion 
actually started at the UBL TC (the original list address was 
<ubl-ontolog@xxxxxxxx> no less) in May 2002, and then spun off 
from there (due to a mismatch of time-lines) and reconstituted as 
the Ontolog Forum in Sep. 2002, and    (020)

(c) the first and foremost Ontolog project, and the one its 
members got together for, was actually to build the "UBL-Ontology".    (021)

(d) we have been, and are still getting moral support from UBL 
and its leadership ... which I deeply appreciate.    (022)

3. ... Do we want to do this?    (023)

I like it there (for the above reasons) ... but that's me. Maybe 
we can talk about it, if people want to bring that up during our 
Thursday (2005.02.02) planning session.    (024)

Regards.  =ppy
--    (025)


Duane Nickull wrote Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:30:03 -0800:
> Peter:
> 
> Some comments and questions inline:
> 
> ProposedCharter = Ontolog is an open, international, virtual community 
> of practice, whose membership will:
> 
>>
>>    * Discuss practical issues and strategies associated with the 
>> development and application of both formal and informal ontologies.
> 
> 
> DN - is there a formal definition of "formal" vs. "informal" ontologies?
> 
>>
>>    * Identify ontological engineering approaches that might be applied 
>> to the UBL effort, as well as to the broader domain of eBusiness 
>> standardization efforts.
> 
> 
> DN - why would we distinguish UBL above others?  Do we want to do this?  
> (note - I have no opinion on this).
> 
> Duane
> 
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