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Re: [ontolog-forum] What do ontologies have to do with meaning?

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From: Kurt Conrad <conrad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:11:42 -0700
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Hmmmm.....    (01)

I don't recall the meeting where we assigned Adam the task of 
deciding what topics are relevant to this forum.    (02)

1) If a topic generates discussion, that seems to be prima facie 
evidence of relevance.  I found the exchanges to be both very 
interesting and (from my admittedly biased position) quite useful.    (03)

2) Our charter defined the scope of this forum using the phrase 
"ontologies used in business".    (04)

Until all business is done entirely by machines and we are all 
hopelessly unemployed, I expect that business will have to continue 
to rely on agents that learn from experience (regardless of whether 
or how well they communicate).    (05)

Speaking from my own, personal experience, I have trained a number of 
the agents that I have worked with _not_ to communicate with me, 
directly, demonstrating an interesting ontological mix of both 
learning and lack of communication.  I have also found that the most 
critical business issues routinely involve ontological breakdowns 
that occur well outside of communication, formalization, and even 
automation.    (06)

Mike, please don't hesitate to post any questions to this forum, 
including (or even, especially) those that deal with 
"non-communication semantics".  I believe that a better shared 
understanding of literal meaning, true meaning, and a variety of 
other types of meaning can only help businesses, and all other forms 
of human organization, to operate more effectively.    (07)

/s/ kwc 2004.06.13 23:11    (08)

At 2004.06.09 13:58, Mike Brenner:
>Hi Adam,
>Okay, I'll not post non-communication semantics questions
>to "ontolog" any more.
>Adam Pease wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >    In your original post you commented:
> >
> > "Thus, I don't see meaning as related to conceptual forms in the 
> mind of
> > the reader, but rather to physical forms which are the context in 
> which the
> > communication takes place."
> >
> > Are you now addressing agents which don't communicate, and 
> somehow learn an
> > ontology from experiences?  If so, then that doesn't seem 
> relevant to this
> > forum.
> >
> > Adam    (09)

Kurt Conrad
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