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Re: [ontolog-forum] Protege representations of UBL xsd elements

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From: "Peter P. Yim" <yimpp@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:46:25 -0700
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Monica,    (01)

 >> [PatCassidy] Does anyone know the different functions of the
 >> two xls files? [normalized vs reusable]    (02)

One thought ... if you are calling into the Montreal UBL meeting 
(before our Thursday call ourselves), could you pull a quick one off 
Tim McGrath, and find out if we should just work with the "reusable 
components" spreadsheet, or should we still be better off with the 
"normalized components". We'll wait till he can join us in a real time 
conference to ask him on the intricate details, but this quick 
recommendation will help us a lot.    (03)

Thanks,
PPY
--    (04)

Peter P. Yim wrote Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:50:24 -0700:
> Great questions, Pat.
> 
> I believe this is high time to invite UBL folks (like Tim and those who 
> worked on the UBL deliverables first hand) back for some real-time 
> exchange.
> 
> However, as we speak, the UBL TC is actually meeting in Montreal now 
> (July 28 ~ Aug 1, 2003). Let's wait till they are done with their 
> meeting first; and let's try to schedule something with Tim et al.
> 
> -ppy
> 
> P.S. Tim: when you have a chance, please let us know what would be a 
> good time to schedule another session when you can join us at a phone 
> conference (our regular calls are Thursdays 10:30-11:30am California 
> time.)  -ppy
> -- 
> 
> Patrick Cassidy wrote Tue, 29 Jul 2003 00:46:08 -0400:
> 
>> Peter is correct, I forgot to change the
>> extensions in the file names for the Protege files:
>> ---
>> Peter P. Yim wrote Mon, 28 Jul 2003 16:28:25 -0700:
>>
>>> Pat,
>>>
>>> Thank you for the work, looks great! Definitely got us off to a start 
>>> on Protégé. A few quick comments:
>>>
>>> 1. Your files:
>>>
>>>  > The new Protege files are at:
>>>  >
>>>  >     ftp://micra.com/ontolog/UBLinv013.pins
>>>  >     ftp://micra.com/ontolog/UBLinv013.pins
>>>  >     ftp://micra.com/ontolog/UBLinv013.pins
>>>
>>> Guess you meant:
>>>
>>>       ftp://micra.com/ontolog/UBLinv013.pprj
>>>       ftp://micra.com/ontolog/UBLinv013.pont
>>>       ftp://micra.com/ontolog/UBLinv013.pins
>>>
>>
>> About the xls file:
>>
>>
>>> 2. UBL reference:
>>>
>>>  > ... that the xsd files have the most detailed and
>>>  > authoritative representations ...
>>>
>>> While it is true that UBL, as an OASIS Technical Committee has XSD's 
>>> as the normative deliverable (since OASIS has primarily been in XML 
>>> interoperability), and hence, the authoritative part, the UBL Library 
>>> Content people actually started work on spreadsheets. Therefore, the 
>>> spreadsheets, in particular, the file:
>>>
>>> 
>http://ubl.cim3.org/~lcsc/release/0p70/xls/UBL_Library_0p70_normalized_components.xls
> 
>>>
>>>
>>> should be the one that has captured the most amount of pertinent 
>>> information (some of which weren't represented in the xsd's). A lot 
>>> of the class hierarchies, the construct of the UBL name, cardinality 
>>> (see column "J"), ... etc.
>>>
>>
>>   The xls file is another format that can help figure out what is 
>> intended.  
> 
> 
>> I notice that the XLS file has associations not
>> in the xsd file.  
> 
> 
>  > But I haven't yet found the place where the class
> 
>> hierarchies are indicated -- which class is supposed to be
>> a subclass of another.  Can anyone help me with this?
> 
> 
>> Also, I do see some things there that I'm not clear on.
> 
> 
>> For example, in the column H (Assoc Object Class) I see the term
>> "Shipment" without any qualifier term in the previous column.  But
>> I don't find "Shipment" by itself in any of the files I've looked at.
>> Should there be a "Shipment" class that is a parent of 
>> "OrderedShipment" and "ActualShipment"?  
> 
> 
>> If so, is it specified in some file?  
> 
> 
>> Does every class with a qualifier term imply that
>> there is some parent class without the qualifier?
>>
> 
>>> Besides, the spreadsheet featured 548 pertinent entries too (as 
>>> opposed to 92).
>>>
>>    The 92 entries transcribed were the "complexTypes" and if the
>> properties and associations of these are counted (as they would be
>> if one counted the lines in the xls file), there will be several
>> hundred, but I haven't tried counting. In fact I only find
>> about 60 complex types in the "normalized_components" xls file.
>> The "Reusable" xls file has 92 complexTypes and over 600
>> lines.  There is a lot of duplication between these two xls files.
> 
> 
>> Does anyone know the different functions of the two xls files?
> 
>  > [normalized vs reusable]
> 
>> Also, I can't find a "normalized components" xsd file.  
> 
> 
>> Can anyone
>> say why the different formats have different sets of files?
> 
> 
>>
>>      Pat
>>
> 
>     (05)


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