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Re: [ontolog-forum] Protege representations of UBL xsd elements

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From: "Peter P. Yim" <yimpp@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:50:24 -0700
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Great questions, Pat.    (01)

I believe this is high time to invite UBL folks (like Tim and those 
who worked on the UBL deliverables first hand) back for some real-time 
exchange.    (02)

However, as we speak, the UBL TC is actually meeting in Montreal now 
(July 28 ~ Aug 1, 2003). Let's wait till they are done with their 
meeting first; and let's try to schedule something with Tim et al.    (03)

-ppy    (04)

P.S. Tim: when you have a chance, please let us know what would be a 
good time to schedule another session when you can join us at a phone 
conference (our regular calls are Thursdays 10:30-11:30am California 
time.)  -ppy
--    (05)

Patrick Cassidy wrote Tue, 29 Jul 2003 00:46:08 -0400:
> Peter is correct, I forgot to change the
> extensions in the file names for the Protege files:
> ---
> Peter P. Yim wrote Mon, 28 Jul 2003 16:28:25 -0700:
>> Pat,
>> Thank you for the work, looks great! Definitely got us off to a start 
>> on Protégé. A few quick comments:
>> 1. Your files:
>>  > The new Protege files are at:
>>  >
>>  >     ftp://micra.com/ontolog/UBLinv013.pins
>>  >     ftp://micra.com/ontolog/UBLinv013.pins
>>  >     ftp://micra.com/ontolog/UBLinv013.pins
>> Guess you meant:
>>       ftp://micra.com/ontolog/UBLinv013.pprj
>>       ftp://micra.com/ontolog/UBLinv013.pont
>>       ftp://micra.com/ontolog/UBLinv013.pins
> About the xls file:
>> 2. UBL reference:
>>  > ... that the xsd files have the most detailed and
>>  > authoritative representations ...
>> While it is true that UBL, as an OASIS Technical Committee has XSD's 
>> as the normative deliverable (since OASIS has primarily been in XML 
>> interoperability), and hence, the authoritative part, the UBL Library 
>> Content people actually started work on spreadsheets. Therefore, the 
>> spreadsheets, in particular, the file:
>> should be the one that has captured the most amount of pertinent 
>> information (some of which weren't represented in the xsd's). A lot of 
>> the class hierarchies, the construct of the UBL name, cardinality (see 
>> column "J"), ... etc.
>   The xls file is another format that can help figure out what is 
> intended.      (06)

> I notice that the XLS file has associations not
> in the xsd file.      (07)

 > But I haven't yet found the place where the class
> hierarchies are indicated -- which class is supposed to be
> a subclass of another.  Can anyone help me with this?    (08)

> Also, I do see some things there that I'm not clear on.    (09)

> For example, in the column H (Assoc Object Class) I see the term
> "Shipment" without any qualifier term in the previous column.  But
> I don't find "Shipment" by itself in any of the files I've looked at.
> Should there be a "Shipment" class that is a parent of "OrderedShipment" 
> and "ActualShipment"?      (010)

> If so, is it specified in some file?      (011)

> Does every class with a qualifier term imply that
> there is some parent class without the qualifier?
>     (012)

>> Besides, the spreadsheet featured 548 pertinent entries too (as 
>> opposed to 92).
>    The 92 entries transcribed were the "complexTypes" and if the
> properties and associations of these are counted (as they would be
> if one counted the lines in the xls file), there will be several
> hundred, but I haven't tried counting. In fact I only find
> about 60 complex types in the "normalized_components" xls file.
> The "Reusable" xls file has 92 complexTypes and over 600
> lines.  There is a lot of duplication between these two xls files.    (013)

> Does anyone know the different functions of the two xls files?
 > [normalized vs reusable]    (014)

> Also, I can't find a "normalized components" xsd file.      (015)

> Can anyone
> say why the different formats have different sets of files?    (016)

>      Pat
>     (017)

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