Hi Deborah, All: (01)
Your elements (Snippets) of a SHOULD BE nature makes a lot of sense,
especially if we can demonstrate the value in a BIMStorm exercise which
concentrates upon a semantic dozen or so of elements for a Fire Department
audience. (02)
So far, my email system is working but I have not received any meeting time
preferences from anyone. (03)
Cheers, (04)
Bob (05)
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>Part of what I'm wrestling with now is which information is in the
>architects documents. When the SMARTcodes come online they will help
>some but here is a stab at the snippets:
>
>location of gas shutoff - mechanical model elements, gas shutoff
>type (should be) specified in
>
>the interior walls that are firewalls - the BIM walls are objects
>with properties that say they are a firewall but the good old
>fashioned way may also be useful with partition sections and plans
>with labeled types. We often use UL assemblies, I wish for
>assemblies to be capturable as a property without telling the BIM
>this.
>
>existence of hazardous roof construction features (such as steel
>bar joists or tensioned concrete) - structural drawings are lines
>and dots and values - the locations and dimensions of the beams are
>in the architects portion. But first, I would look at the spec table
>of contents to see whether 05 30 00 STEEL JOISTS, or 03 38 00 POST
>TENSIONED CONCRETE were included in the project at all, you wouldn't
>have both. Also, I am unclear why either is a hazard - because steel
>joists would fall or melt and the tensioning cables would face a
>problem?
>
>occurrence of an impending over temperature condition (IOT)
>condition within the elevator controllers - combination of building
>control Division 25 Automated Integration and 14 Conveyance Systems.
>Elevator consultants have a bad habit of dividing work amongst
>separate contractors, I noticed in the one and only BCS spec I have
>reviewed they require their conduit, power supply, sensors etc to be
>SEPARATED from the other MEP systems. This would probably help alot
>in the long run to always have BCS able to literally be run and show
>up separate from the other systems.
>
>phone number for the building engineer - he usually has an office
>with a specific location that could make that phone ring, also the
>fire control room.....
>
>NFPA 704 code for the hazardous material located in a specific space
>- the hazardous materials are more in the owner's realm. The BIM for
>design and construction would only reflect such a purpose if special
>enclosure or ventilation was needed, and even then may not be
>obvious.
>
>In trying to develop the stacks Michelle and I discussed, these
>could be 10 "dimensions" traced all the way through the building
>materials, related codes, then help show an example of what the
>owner and local jurisdictions need brought forward and highlighted
>out from all the records when the building turns over.
>
>Deborah
>
>On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 2:05 AM, Michelle Raymond
><<mailto:michellearaymond@xxxxxxxxx>michellearaymond@xxxxxxxxx>
>wrote:
>
>All,
>
>BIM>GIS information needed...
>
>Monday morning I am meeting with a few people at NIST who are looking
>into the Industry Foundation Classes (IFC) and Building Information
>Model (BIM) as a source of at least part of the common vocabulary and
>machine processable information structures needed for fast extraction
>and presentation of pertinent data to emergency responders. An
>example of how IFC / BIM data can be translated into slices of
>2D-floor plan data and graphics would be VERY useful.
>
>We intend to discuss the 2D (yes we still need 2D views) data and
>drawing problem, extraction and classification assignment methods for
>pertinent data, rule based systems for filtering and mapping data,
>multi-source data input aggregation, and data exchange languages,
>policies and protocols. Obviously, this won't all be covered Monday
>morning. So we'll continue the discussion on Tuesday afternoon.
>
>Any examples, insight or good references on extraction of the specific
>data defined as "needed by the emergency responders" that is contained
>in the BIM would be a HUGE help. The needed BIM data is likely to
>cross the Industry Foundation Classes (IFC), Model View Definition
>(MVD), Information Delivery Manual (IDM) and other aspects of the BIM
>with which I don't yet have even a nodding acquaintance.
>
>Here is a snippet of the variety of types of information needed:
>location of gas shutoff, the interior walls that are firewalls,
>existence of hazardous roof construction features (such as steel bar
>joists or tensioned concrete), occurrence of an impending over
>temperature condition (IOT) condition within the elevator controllers,
>phone number for the building engineer, NFPA 704 code for the
>hazardous material located in a specific space, ...
>
>I don't want to do more than frame the approach to constructing the
>ontology for the "support of emergency management view into the BIM"
>until things are less fuzzy about which pieces of data are where in
>the BIM and how the data can be extracted.
>
>Oh, and if you have a favorite BIM applications or tools, usable in
>the AFTER construction and IN the operational facility phase,
>particularly for data extraction, I'd love to know what they are.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Michelle
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On 5/4/08, Peter Yim <<mailto:peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Deborah (& Michelle),
>>
>> Thank you for the message ... by the way, did you (or Michelle) have a
>> chance to chat with either Gary Berg-Corss or Todd Schneider during
>> the Ontology Summit F2F last week. They are both (Mike Dean too)
>> involved in an activity under the auspices of the "Spatial Ontology
>> Community of Practice (SOCoP)" which could have relevance, or a
>> potential collaborator, in this work you are describing here - see:
>>
>><http://colab.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?SOCoP>http://colab.cim3.net/cgi-bin
/wiki.pl?SOCoP
>>
>> ... If not (yet), at least, know that you/we could readily connect up
>> with them when the time is ripe to do so.
>>
>> Regards. =ppy
>> --
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Deborah MacPherson
>><<mailto:debmacp@xxxxxxxxx>debmacp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > Hi Rex, Bob, Michelle, Toby, Peter -
>> >
>> > Bonnie DeVarco on the Accuracy&Aesthetics board has recently put me
>> > re-in-touch with John Graham at SDSU. A few years ago he did a
>>***REALLY***
>> > terrific representation of the tsumami for an exhibition with the maps
of
>> > science. He is interested in BIM>GIS connections especially in
>>the context
>> > of emergency response and would like to know more. His message is
copied
>> > below for technical details.
>> >
>> > "We do a lot of work with the first responder community so I am very
>> > interested in what your group is doing in that regard. I am currently
>> > hosting the FlightGear Scenery Database which includes
>>scenegraph models of
>> > many buildings and airfields. The database currently contains 762
models
>> > placed in the scenery as 994055 seperate objects. We are developing a
WCS
>> > "Web Coverage Service" to stream these models into flightgear on
>>the fly :)
>> > These models are stored in a Postgres database with PostGIS spatial
data
>> > extensions so we have the ability to do some pretty fancy web
services. I
>> > would love to join your call let me know the details."
>> >
>> > Also, last week, Finith Jergenson of Design Atlantic who landed the
fire
>> > stations at last 2 BIMstorms has sent some materials I've been
pondering
>> > over (sent Michelle a ppt/pdf). It is sounding more and more like
there
>> > could really be something to work with here.
>> >
>> >
>> > Deborah
>> >
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>> > Deborah L. MacPherson
>> > Projects Director, Accuracy&Aesthetics
> > > Specifier, WDG Architecture PLLC
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