It looks like we have a low-hanging fruit here with broad appeal.
As far as I'm concerned, without some funding support, I won't be able
to do much dogfooding. (01)
-- Nicolas. (02)
Peter P. Yim wrote: (03)
> > [Max] the new podcast schema (I think 2.0) which allows you
> > to add some forms of annotations and pointers during the
> > podcast. So for instance you can add different images so
> > that as the podcast plays, the image (we have none for now)
> > that is displayed in iTunes would change.
>
> [ppy] re:image - the speakers' slide(s) would be a natural candidate!
>
> > [Max] We should brainstorm and discuss some more.
> > Nicolas/Peter (others) any suggestions on how to proceed?
> > I am happy to continue via email and then do some live
> > discussion.
>
> [ppy] ... something more concrete: how about organizing a two-part
> technical discussion series,
>
> (a) the first session surveying the relevant technology that's "out
> there" now: ... topic maps, swoop, folksonomy, UIMA ... etc.
> (especially those for unstructured and semistructured content), and
>
> (b) the second session devoted to a discussion on what we want to do
> (with the Ontolog content), and how we could proceed ... with this
> possibly leading up to another Ontolog project.
>
> We can do (a) as early as Feb. 16 or Feb. 23, 2006, if both of you
> (Nicolas and Max) are willing to co-moderate (and, obviously,
> co-organize) it. The challenge would be: Can you pull together the
> real gurus for that in short order? If the answer it yes, that would
> be just great!
>
> Additional volunteers and input from everyone are welcomed.
>
> Cheers. =ppy
> --
>
>
> Michael Maximilien wrote Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:52:33 -0800:
>
>>
>> > Max: is podcasting ontolog forum discussions sufficiently practical &
>> > reasonable
>> > in terms of resource demands to do on a systematic basis?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> > If yes, then this raises a number of interesting possibilities that
>> > could help us better "digest our own ontology food"
>>
>> You mean 'dogfooding', I like that :-)
>>
>> > For example, Nicola Guarino used the famous "red rose" example in his
>> > presentation of DOLCE
>> > (see
>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_02_02)
>>
>> I just added his talk to the podcast.
>> (Just downloaded it so that I listen to it over the week-end :-) I
>> had to miss most of it...)
>>
>> > Wouldn't it be great then to be able to annotate the podcast w/ a
>> > pointer to an example ontology built (for example)
>> > using Swoop from the public URL of DOLCE in a way that includes
>> "back"
>> > annotation links to the podcast
>> > to establish a 3-way link among
>>
>> Yes. This is very interesting indeed.
>>
>> In that same spirit but more from a engineering point of view, I
>> would also point the group (I am sure you are aware of this) to the
>> UIMA (http://uima-framework.sourceforge.net/) work and also the new
>> podcast schema (I think 2.0) which allows you to add some forms of
>> annotations and pointers during the podcast. So for instance you can
>> add different images so that as the podcast plays, the image (we have
>> none for now) that is displayed in iTunes would change.
>> What you are suggesting is a more generic version of that... very cool.
>>
>> > Annotations need to be "first-class" things that can themselves be
>> > annotated.
>> > In this case, the above annotation is an example of the distinction
>> > between descriptions (3) and situations (1) in DOLCE.
>>
>> Yes.
>> BTW, (you probably know this as well) but here is a pointer to a
>> paper by Tom Gruber on folksonomy and ontology where he begins a
>> model for representing tagging and essentially making them
>> "first-class".
>>
>> http://tomgruber.org/writing/ontology-of-folksonomy.htm
>>
>> (I believe, in addition to Peter, two or three others may have
>> suggested Tom's paper to me---including John Domingue when I met him
>> in A'dam during ICSOC last November)
>>
>> > The mindswappers have shown that doing annotations and referencing to
>> > subsets of ontologies is technically doable.
>> > One relevant question is whether the
>> tools/mechanisms/infrastructure to
>> > do it could be deployed as an on-going service for this forum.
>>
>> Interesting. It's doable. There are a variety of possibilities,
>> including using/creating services that allow content to be
>> tagged/annotated and then composing/mashing that with the Wiki. It
>> might take some engineering effort but definitely doable...
>>
>> We should brainstorm and discuss some more. Nicolas/Peter (others)
>> any suggestions on how to proceed? I am happy to continue via email
>> and then do some live discussion.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> E. M. (Max) Maximilien, Ph.D.
>> IBM Almaden Research Center
>> San Jose, CA USA
>> maxim@xxxxxxxxxx
>> Homepage: http://maximilien.org
>
>
>
>> ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 02/03/2006 11:15:29 AM:
>>
>> > Thanks Peter for the heads-up/reminder.
>> >
>> > Max: is podcasting ontolog forum discussions sufficiently practical &
>> > reasonable
>> > in terms of resource demands to do on a systematic basis?
>> >
>> > If yes, then this raises a number of interesting possibilities that
>> > could help us better "digest our own ontology food"
>> > with related technology support (e.g., Swoop's annotation support &
>> > Annotea server, publicly available ontolgies
>> > w/ sufficiently axiomatized content adequate for reasoning
>> analysis --
>> > e.g., SUMO, DOLCE, ...)
>> >
>> > For example, Nicola Guarino used the famous "red rose" example in his
>> > presentation of DOLCE
>> > (see
>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_02_02)
>> >
>> > As Nicola emphasized at the end of his talk, small examples are
>> really
>> > important to convey
>> > and discuss important ideas like that of being able to precisely
>> capture
>> > the subtle differences
>> > on the various meanings of "red" in "red rose".
>> >
>> > Wouldn't it be great then to be able to annotate the podcast w/ a
>> > pointer to an example ontology built (for example)
>> > using Swoop from the public URL of DOLCE in a way that includes
>> "back"
>> > annotation links to the podcast
>> > to establish a 3-way link among
>> >
>> > (1) a subset of the example ontology that illustrates one of the
>> > meanings of "red"
>> > (2) a segment of the presentation where Nicola explains that
>> particular
>> > meaning
>> > (3) the description of that meaning in DOLCE
>> >
>> > Annotations need to be "first-class" things that can themselves be
>> > annotated.
>> > In this case, the above annotation is an example of the distinction
>> > between descriptions (3) and situations (1) in DOLCE.
>> >
>> > The mindswappers have shown that doing annotations and referencing to
>> > subsets of ontologies is technically doable.
>> > One relevant question is whether the
>> tools/mechanisms/infrastructure to
>> > do it could be deployed as an on-going service for this forum.
>> >
>> > -- Nicolas.
>
>
>
>> > Peter P. Yim wrote Wed, 01 Feb 2006 06:44:37 -0800:
>> >
>> > > Thank you very much, Max. This is great!
>> > >
>> > > See announcement at the Ontolog:WikiHomePage -
>> > > http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nidJMZ
>> > > (and the ensuing details under the "Events" section.)
>> > >
>> > > Also, please refer to our discussion at last week's call
>> relating to
>> > > this matter -
>> > >
>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_01_26#nidJKM
>> > >
>> > > In particular, there is continuing work to maintain/enhance the
>> > > podcast, and we need some volunteers (contact Max for details).
>> > >
>> > > More interestingly, an initiative that Nicolas Rouquette alluded to
>> > > before is now re-surfacing as a potential project for "tagging
>> > > multimedia and other Ontolog content for podcast & semantic
>> search."
>> > > ... let's discuss this. ... Better still, maybe we can even
>> devote a
>> > > technical discussion session for it (Nicolas and Max, you want to
>> > > co-organize this?)
>> > >
>> > > Thanks & regards. =ppy
>> > > --
>
>
>
>> > > Michael Maximilien wrote Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:58:23 -0800:
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi,
>> > >>
>> > >> 1) Podcast available on ONTOLOG forum Wiki.
>> > >> http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/resource/podcast/ontolog-podcast.xml
>> > >>
>> > >> 2) Modified Wiki homepage to announce --- feel free to edit, add
>> > >> images, or change text
>> > >>
>> > >> 3) Added all 2005 episodes -- I will gradually add more as time
>> permits
>> > >>
>> > >> 4) Registered podcast with iTunes and Yahoo podcast -- soon you
>> will
>> > >> be able to search and subscribe directly from these sites
>> > >>
>> > >> 5) Tried RSS feed on iTunes and Safari --- works fine
>> > >>
>> > >> 6) Removed RSS feed from my site
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks to Peter Yim for various assistance and making this
>> happen. > >> Send me and Peter any feedback or better yet respond
>> to this email.
>> > >>
>> > >> If you have problem using then let me know. Take care,
>> > >>
>> > >> E. M. (Max) Maximilien, Ph.D.
>> > >> IBM Almaden Research Center
>> > >> San Jose, CA USA
>> > >> maxim@xxxxxxxxxx
>> > >> Homepage: http://maximilien.org
>
>
> > > >> ...[snip]...
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