> [NR] without some funding support, I won't be able
> to do much dogfooding. (01)
[ppy] Nicolas, does that include co-moderating the 2 discussion
sessions I had suggested, or is that only in reference to
development work? (Hope it's just the latter.) (02)
Cheers. =ppy
-- (03)
Nicolas F Rouquette wrote Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:17:26 -0800:
> It looks like we have a low-hanging fruit here with broad appeal.
> As far as I'm concerned, without some funding support, I won't be able
> to do much dogfooding.
>
> -- Nicolas. (04)
> Peter P. Yim wrote Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:52:57 -0800:
>
>> > [Max] the new podcast schema (I think 2.0) which allows you
>> > to add some forms of annotations and pointers during the
>> > podcast. So for instance you can add different images so
>> > that as the podcast plays, the image (we have none for now)
>> > that is displayed in iTunes would change.
>>
>> [ppy] re:image - the speakers' slide(s) would be a natural candidate!
>>
>> > [Max] We should brainstorm and discuss some more.
>> > Nicolas/Peter (others) any suggestions on how to proceed?
>> > I am happy to continue via email and then do some live
>> > discussion.
>>
>> [ppy] ... something more concrete: how about organizing a two-part
>> technical discussion series,
>>
>> (a) the first session surveying the relevant technology that's "out
>> there" now: ... topic maps, swoop, folksonomy, UIMA ... etc.
>> (especially those for unstructured and semistructured content), and
>>
>> (b) the second session devoted to a discussion on what we want to do
>> (with the Ontolog content), and how we could proceed ... with this
>> possibly leading up to another Ontolog project.
>>
>> We can do (a) as early as Feb. 16 or Feb. 23, 2006, if both of you
>> (Nicolas and Max) are willing to co-moderate (and, obviously,
>> co-organize) it. The challenge would be: Can you pull together the
>> real gurus for that in short order? If the answer it yes, that would
>> be just great!
>>
>> Additional volunteers and input from everyone are welcomed.
>>
>> Cheers. =ppy
>> -- (05)
>> Michael Maximilien wrote Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:52:33 -0800:
>>
>>>
>>> > Max: is podcasting ontolog forum discussions sufficiently practical &
>>> > reasonable
>>> > in terms of resource demands to do on a systematic basis?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> > If yes, then this raises a number of interesting possibilities that
>>> > could help us better "digest our own ontology food"
>>>
>>> You mean 'dogfooding', I like that :-)
>>>
>>> > For example, Nicola Guarino used the famous "red rose" example in his
>>> > presentation of DOLCE
>>> > (see
>>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_02_02)
>>>
>>> I just added his talk to the podcast. (Just downloaded it so that I
>>> listen to it over the week-end :-) I had to miss most of it...)
>>>
>>> > Wouldn't it be great then to be able to annotate the podcast w/ a
>>> > pointer to an example ontology built (for example)
>>> > using Swoop from the public URL of DOLCE in a way that includes
>>> "back"
>>> > annotation links to the podcast
>>> > to establish a 3-way link among
>>>
>>> Yes. This is very interesting indeed.
>>>
>>> In that same spirit but more from a engineering point of view, I
>>> would also point the group (I am sure you are aware of this) to the
>>> UIMA (http://uima-framework.sourceforge.net/) work and also the new
>>> podcast schema (I think 2.0) which allows you to add some forms of
>>> annotations and pointers during the podcast. So for instance you can
>>> add different images so that as the podcast plays, the image (we have
>>> none for now) that is displayed in iTunes would change. What you are
>>> suggesting is a more generic version of that... very cool.
>>>
>>> > Annotations need to be "first-class" things that can themselves be
>>> > annotated.
>>> > In this case, the above annotation is an example of the distinction
>>> > between descriptions (3) and situations (1) in DOLCE.
>>>
>>> Yes. BTW, (you probably know this as well) but here is a pointer to a
>>> paper by Tom Gruber on folksonomy and ontology where he begins a
>>> model for representing tagging and essentially making them
>>> "first-class".
>>>
>>> http://tomgruber.org/writing/ontology-of-folksonomy.htm
>>>
>>> (I believe, in addition to Peter, two or three others may have
>>> suggested Tom's paper to me---including John Domingue when I met him
>>> in A'dam during ICSOC last November)
>>>
>>> > The mindswappers have shown that doing annotations and referencing to
>>> > subsets of ontologies is technically doable.
>>> > One relevant question is whether the
>>> tools/mechanisms/infrastructure to
>>> > do it could be deployed as an on-going service for this forum.
>>>
>>> Interesting. It's doable. There are a variety of possibilities,
>>> including using/creating services that allow content to be
>>> tagged/annotated and then composing/mashing that with the Wiki. It
>>> might take some engineering effort but definitely doable...
>>>
>>> We should brainstorm and discuss some more. Nicolas/Peter (others)
>>> any suggestions on how to proceed? I am happy to continue via email
>>> and then do some live discussion.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> E. M. (Max) Maximilien, Ph.D.
>>> IBM Almaden Research Center
>>> San Jose, CA USA
>>> maxim@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> Homepage: http://maximilien.org (06)
>>> ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 02/03/2006 11:15:29 AM:
>>>
>>> > Thanks Peter for the heads-up/reminder.
>>> >
>>> > Max: is podcasting ontolog forum discussions sufficiently practical &
>>> > reasonable
>>> > in terms of resource demands to do on a systematic basis?
>>> >
>>> > If yes, then this raises a number of interesting possibilities that
>>> > could help us better "digest our own ontology food"
>>> > with related technology support (e.g., Swoop's annotation support &
>>> > Annotea server, publicly available ontolgies
>>> > w/ sufficiently axiomatized content adequate for reasoning
>>> analysis --
>>> > e.g., SUMO, DOLCE, ...)
>>> >
>>> > For example, Nicola Guarino used the famous "red rose" example in his
>>> > presentation of DOLCE
>>> > (see
>>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_02_02)
>>> >
>>> > As Nicola emphasized at the end of his talk, small examples are
>>> really
>>> > important to convey
>>> > and discuss important ideas like that of being able to precisely
>>> capture
>>> > the subtle differences
>>> > on the various meanings of "red" in "red rose".
>>> >
>>> > Wouldn't it be great then to be able to annotate the podcast w/ a
>>> > pointer to an example ontology built (for example)
>>> > using Swoop from the public URL of DOLCE in a way that includes
>>> "back"
>>> > annotation links to the podcast
>>> > to establish a 3-way link among
>>> >
>>> > (1) a subset of the example ontology that illustrates one of the
>>> > meanings of "red"
>>> > (2) a segment of the presentation where Nicola explains that
>>> particular
>>> > meaning
>>> > (3) the description of that meaning in DOLCE
>>> >
>>> > Annotations need to be "first-class" things that can themselves be
>>> > annotated.
>>> > In this case, the above annotation is an example of the distinction
>>> > between descriptions (3) and situations (1) in DOLCE.
>>> >
>>> > The mindswappers have shown that doing annotations and referencing to
>>> > subsets of ontologies is technically doable.
>>> > One relevant question is whether the
>>> tools/mechanisms/infrastructure to
>>> > do it could be deployed as an on-going service for this forum.
>>> >
>>> > -- Nicolas. (07)
>>> > Peter P. Yim wrote Wed, 01 Feb 2006 06:44:37 -0800:
>>> >
>>> > > Thank you very much, Max. This is great!
>>> > >
>>> > > See announcement at the Ontolog:WikiHomePage -
>>> > > http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nidJMZ
>>> > > (and the ensuing details under the "Events" section.)
>>> > >
>>> > > Also, please refer to our discussion at last week's call
>>> relating to
>>> > > this matter -
>>> > >
>>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_01_26#nidJKM
>>> > >
>>> > > In particular, there is continuing work to maintain/enhance the
>>> > > podcast, and we need some volunteers (contact Max for details).
>>> > >
>>> > > More interestingly, an initiative that Nicolas Rouquette alluded to
>>> > > before is now re-surfacing as a potential project for "tagging
>>> > > multimedia and other Ontolog content for podcast & semantic
>>> search."
>>> > > ... let's discuss this. ... Better still, maybe we can even
>>> devote a
>>> > > technical discussion session for it (Nicolas and Max, you want to
>>> > > co-organize this?)
>>> > >
>>> > > Thanks & regards. =ppy
>>> > > -- (08)
>>> > > Michael Maximilien wrote Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:58:23 -0800:
>>> > >
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Hi,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> 1) Podcast available on ONTOLOG forum Wiki.
>>> > >> http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/resource/podcast/ontolog-podcast.xml
>>> > >>
>>> > >> 2) Modified Wiki homepage to announce --- feel free to edit, add
>>> > >> images, or change text
>>> > >>
>>> > >> 3) Added all 2005 episodes -- I will gradually add more as time
>>> permits
>>> > >>
>>> > >> 4) Registered podcast with iTunes and Yahoo podcast -- soon you
>>> will
>>> > >> be able to search and subscribe directly from these sites
>>> > >>
>>> > >> 5) Tried RSS feed on iTunes and Safari --- works fine
>>> > >>
>>> > >> 6) Removed RSS feed from my site
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Thanks to Peter Yim for various assistance and making this
>>> happen. > >> Send me and Peter any feedback or better yet respond
>>> to this email.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> If you have problem using then let me know. Take care,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> E. M. (Max) Maximilien, Ph.D.
>>> > >> IBM Almaden Research Center
>>> > >> San Jose, CA USA
>>> > >> maxim@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> > >> Homepage: http://maximilien.org
>>
>>
>> > > >> ...[snip]...
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