Max (& Nicolas), (01)
For your consideration next few open Thursday dates are Mar. 9 &
Mar. 23 & Mar. 30, 2006. =ppy
-- (02)
Michael Maximilien wrote Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:17:09 -0800:
>
> > [Peter] We can do (a) as early as Feb. 16 or Feb. 23, 2006, if both of
> > you (Nicolas and Max) are willing to co-moderate (and, obviously,
> > co-organize) it. The challenge would be: Can you pull together
> > the real gurus for that in short order? If the answer it yes,
> > that would be just great!
>
> I am happy to participate and co-organize but Feb. 16 is not enough time
> IMO. Plus personally I am pretty booked for Feb.
>
> If you can give us a later date I would be happy to work with Nicolas on
> that. Best,
>
> (Of course, Nicolas, if you feel differently then let me know...)
>
> E. M. (Max) Maximilien, Ph.D.
> IBM Almaden Research Center
> San Jose, CA USA
> maxim@xxxxxxxxxx
> Homepage: http://maximilien.org (03)
> ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 02/03/2006 12:52:57 PM:
>
> > > [Max] the new podcast schema (I think 2.0) which allows you
> > > to add some forms of annotations and pointers during the
> > > podcast. So for instance you can add different images so
> > > that as the podcast plays, the image (we have none for now)
> > > that is displayed in iTunes would change.
> >
> > [ppy] re:image - the speakers' slide(s) would be a natural candidate!
> >
> > > [Max] We should brainstorm and discuss some more.
> > > Nicolas/Peter (others) any suggestions on how to proceed?
> > > I am happy to continue via email and then do some live
> > > discussion.
> >
> > [ppy] ... something more concrete: how about organizing a
> > two-part technical discussion series,
> >
> > (a) the first session surveying the relevant technology that's
> > "out there" now: ... topic maps, swoop, folksonomy, UIMA ... etc.
> > (especially those for unstructured and semistructured content), and
> >
> > (b) the second session devoted to a discussion on what we want to
> > do (with the Ontolog content), and how we could proceed ... with
> > this possibly leading up to another Ontolog project.
> >
> > We can do (a) as early as Feb. 16 or Feb. 23, 2006, if both of
> > you (Nicolas and Max) are willing to co-moderate (and, obviously,
> > co-organize) it. The challenge would be: Can you pull together
> > the real gurus for that in short order? If the answer it yes,
> > that would be just great!
> >
> > Additional volunteers and input from everyone are welcomed.
> >
> > Cheers. =ppy
> > -- (04)
> > Michael Maximilien wrote Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:52:33 -0800:
> > >
> > > > Max: is podcasting ontolog forum discussions sufficiently
> practical &
> > > > reasonable
> > > > in terms of resource demands to do on a systematic basis?
> > >
> > > Yes.
> > >
> > > > If yes, then this raises a number of interesting possibilities that
> > > > could help us better "digest our own ontology food"
> > >
> > > You mean 'dogfooding', I like that :-)
> > >
> > > > For example, Nicola Guarino used the famous "red rose" example
> in his
> > > > presentation of DOLCE
> > > > (see
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_02_02)
> > >
> > > I just added his talk to the podcast.
> > >
> > > (Just downloaded it so that I listen to it over the week-end :-) I
> had
> > > to miss most of it...)
> > >
> > > > Wouldn't it be great then to be able to annotate the podcast w/ a
> > > > pointer to an example ontology built (for example)
> > > > using Swoop from the public URL of DOLCE in a way that includes
> "back"
> > > > annotation links to the podcast
> > > > to establish a 3-way link among
> > >
> > > Yes. This is very interesting indeed.
> > >
> > > In that same spirit but more from a engineering point of view, I would
> > > also point the group (I am sure you are aware of this) to the UIMA
> > > (http://uima-framework.sourceforge.net/) work and also the new podcast
> > > schema (I think 2.0) which allows you to add some forms of annotations
> > > and pointers during the podcast. So for instance you can add
> different
> > > images so that as the podcast plays, the image (we have none for now)
> > > that is displayed in iTunes would change.
> > >
> > > What you are suggesting is a more generic version of that... very
> cool.
> > >
> > > > Annotations need to be "first-class" things that can themselves be
> > > > annotated.
> > > > In this case, the above annotation is an example of the distinction
> > > > between descriptions (3) and situations (1) in DOLCE.
> > >
> > > Yes.
> > >
> > > BTW, (you probably know this as well) but here is a pointer to a paper
> > > by Tom Gruber on folksonomy and ontology where he begins a model for
> > > representing tagging and essentially making them "first-class".
> > >
> > > http://tomgruber.org/writing/ontology-of-folksonomy.htm
> > >
> > > (I believe, in addition to Peter, two or three others may have
> suggested
> > > Tom's paper to me---including John Domingue when I met him in A'dam
> > > during ICSOC last November)
> > >
> > > > The mindswappers have shown that doing annotations and
> referencing to
> > > > subsets of ontologies is technically doable.
> > > > One relevant question is whether the
> tools/mechanisms/infrastructure to
> > > > do it could be deployed as an on-going service for this forum.
> > >
> > > Interesting. It's doable. There are a variety of possibilities,
> > > including using/creating services that allow content to be
> > > tagged/annotated and then composing/mashing that with the Wiki. It
> > > might take some engineering effort but definitely doable...
> > >
> > > We should brainstorm and discuss some more. Nicolas/Peter (others)
> any
> > > suggestions on how to proceed? I am happy to continue via email and
> > > then do some live discussion.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > E. M. (Max) Maximilien, Ph.D.
> > > IBM Almaden Research Center
> > > San Jose, CA USA
> > > maxim@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > Homepage: http://maximilien.org (05)
> > > ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 02/03/2006 11:15:29 AM:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Peter for the heads-up/reminder.
> > > >
> > > > Max: is podcasting ontolog forum discussions sufficiently
> practical &
> > > > reasonable
> > > > in terms of resource demands to do on a systematic basis?
> > > >
> > > > If yes, then this raises a number of interesting possibilities that
> > > > could help us better "digest our own ontology food"
> > > > with related technology support (e.g., Swoop's annotation support &
> > > > Annotea server, publicly available ontolgies
> > > > w/ sufficiently axiomatized content adequate for reasoning
> analysis --
> > > > e.g., SUMO, DOLCE, ...)
> > > >
> > > > For example, Nicola Guarino used the famous "red rose" example
> in his
> > > > presentation of DOLCE
> > > > (see
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_02_02)
> > > >
> > > > As Nicola emphasized at the end of his talk, small examples are
> really
> > > > important to convey
> > > > and discuss important ideas like that of being able to precisely
> capture
> > > > the subtle differences
> > > > on the various meanings of "red" in "red rose".
> > > >
> > > > Wouldn't it be great then to be able to annotate the podcast w/ a
> > > > pointer to an example ontology built (for example)
> > > > using Swoop from the public URL of DOLCE in a way that includes
> "back"
> > > > annotation links to the podcast
> > > > to establish a 3-way link among
> > > >
> > > > (1) a subset of the example ontology that illustrates one of the
> > > > meanings of "red"
> > > > (2) a segment of the presentation where Nicola explains that
> particular
> > > > meaning
> > > > (3) the description of that meaning in DOLCE
> > > >
> > > > Annotations need to be "first-class" things that can themselves be
> > > > annotated.
> > > > In this case, the above annotation is an example of the distinction
> > > > between descriptions (3) and situations (1) in DOLCE.
> > > >
> > > > The mindswappers have shown that doing annotations and
> referencing to
> > > > subsets of ontologies is technically doable.
> > > > One relevant question is whether the
> tools/mechanisms/infrastructure to
> > > > do it could be deployed as an on-going service for this forum.
> > > >
> > > > -- Nicolas. (06)
> > > > Peter P. Yim wrote Wed, 01 Feb 2006 06:44:37 -0800:
> > > >
> > > > > Thank you very much, Max. This is great!
> > > > >
> > > > > See announcement at the Ontolog:WikiHomePage -
> > > > > http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nidJMZ
> > > > > (and the ensuing details under the "Events" section.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, please refer to our discussion at last week's call
> relating to
> > > > > this matter -
> > > > >
> > >
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_01_26#nidJKM
> > > > >
> > > > > In particular, there is continuing work to maintain/enhance the
> > > > > podcast, and we need some volunteers (contact Max for details).
> > > > >
> > > > > More interestingly, an initiative that Nicolas Rouquette
> alluded to
> > > > > before is now re-surfacing as a potential project for "tagging
> > > > > multimedia and other Ontolog content for podcast & semantic
> search."
> > > > > ... let's discuss this. ... Better still, maybe we can even
> devote a
> > > > > technical discussion session for it (Nicolas and Max, you want to
> > > > > co-organize this?)
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks & regards. =ppy
> > > > > -- (07)
> > > > > Michael Maximilien wrote Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:58:23 -0800:
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Hi,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 1) Podcast available on ONTOLOG forum Wiki.
> > > > >> http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/resource/podcast/ontolog-podcast.xml
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 2) Modified Wiki homepage to announce --- feel free to edit, add
> > > > >> images, or change text
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 3) Added all 2005 episodes -- I will gradually add more as time
> > > permits
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 4) Registered podcast with iTunes and Yahoo podcast -- soon
> you will
> > > > >> be able to search and subscribe directly from these sites
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 5) Tried RSS feed on iTunes and Safari --- works fine
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 6) Removed RSS feed from my site
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks to Peter Yim for various assistance and making this
> happen.
> > > > >> Send me and Peter any feedback or better yet respond to this
> email.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> If you have problem using then let me know. Take care,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> E. M. (Max) Maximilien, Ph.D.
> > > > >> IBM Almaden Research Center
> > > > >> San Jose, CA USA
> > > > >> maxim@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >> Homepage: http://maximilien.org
> >
> > > > >> ...[snip]...
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