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Re: [ontology-summit] The tools are not the problem (yet)

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From: "Barkmeyer, Edward J" <edward.barkmeyer@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 15:41:30 +0000
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John,    (01)

I agree with your position.  As I recall, the basic model in ISO 18629 the 
"Process Specification Language" (Gruninger et al.) is just such an 
abstraction, in which 'time' per se is at best implicit.  Additional modules of 
that ontology add 'time' concepts.    (02)

I am also a fan of Ed Zalta's handling of 'states of affairs' and their 
relationship to propositions and truth values, and that model of 
states/events/activities is also independent of 'time' concepts.    (03)

-Ed    (04)

> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] The tools are not the problem (yet)
> 
> On 2/18/2014 7:00 PM, Barkmeyer, Edward J wrote:
> > As I now understand it, in your model, the universe effectively
> > consists of states and abstractions...
> > The ontological commitments are clear.
> 
> I agree.
> 
> But the point I was trying to make is that Matthew's ontology defines states
> in terms of a 4D universe.
> 
> It is possible (and I believe preferable) to specify states and processes as
> abstractions.  There is no need to assume anything about a physical time or
> space (4D, 3D, or whatever) in order to define a Turing machine, a 
>finite-state
> machine, or a Petri net.
> 
> If you define states and processes abstractly, you can use them to specify
> computations, data structures, etc., independently of anything physical.
> 
> If you do so, you can formalize communications among systems in a purely
> abstract way -- independent of any assumptions about any ontology of
> physics, space, time, matter, etc.
> 
> John
> 
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