> Is a bishopric monitored for compliance? By who or what? (01)
The bishopric is a suborganization of the church. The church would
have the responsibility for monitoring the bishopric for compliance.
How this is done is up to the church. (02)
-- doug (03)
> What remedies (resilience) are applicable to a bishopric?
> On Feb 1, 2012, at 12:00 AM, doug foxvog wrote:
>
>>>> what happens when the next person gets instantiated as the (same)
>>>> bishop?
>>
>>> Here is one take on it (without mentioning 4D?)
>>> The role of bishop of Liverpool was used by Person A for time-period
>>> 100.
>>> That role may be used by Person B for the next time period 101. You
>>> may identify this triple relationship as you wish.
>>
>> We are talking about three things, not two, the corporation sole, the
>> role of bishop, and the person who occupies the role of bishop for a
>> given bishopric.
>>
>> The Bishopric is an intangible individual (like a corporation) that can
>> own property and has been granted authority to perform certain kinds
>> of acts.
>>
>> A Person while performing the role of Bishop, has the derived authority
>> to perform the actions which the Bishopric is permitted. This is the
>> same as any other corporate officer being permitted to act in the name
>> of her corporation when authorized.
>>
>> -- doug f
>>
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Chris Partridge
>>> <partridgec@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It looks like you are describing something similar to a qua object,
>>>> which
>>>> has no identity.****
>>>>
>>>> Not sure we are talking about the same thing. Bishop in this case is a
>>>> particular bishop, such as the ‘Bishop of Liverpool’ – a corporation
>>>> sole,
>>>> a legal person. If we take the approach you suggest, what happens when
>>>> the
>>>> next person gets instantiated as the (same) bishop. In what sense is
>>>> it
>>>> the
>>>> ‘same’ bishop – the bishop continues to own the land, etc.****
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn’t Occam’s razor prefer a simple agent.****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> Regards,****
>>>>
>>>> Chris ****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> *From:* ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>> ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Gary
>>>> Berg-Cross
>>>> *Sent:* 31 January 2012 21:47
>>>>
>>>> *To:* Ontology Summit 2012 discussion
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [ontology-summit] System Components****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> Chris,
>>>>
>>>> Chris noted>I find it odd that a qua object can own property, have
>>>> responsibilities, declare war (Monarchs), etc. – which the person
>>>> cannot
>>>> do.
>>>>
>>>> Thematic roles may be thought of as a set of types when objects
>>>> participate in processes. There is a general notion of the role, but
>>>> it
>>>> gets instantiated in an object, such as a person who has a bishop role
>>>> and
>>>> thus participates in the bishop processes.****
>>>>
>>>> Gary Berg-Cross, Ph.D. ****
>>>>
>>>> gbergcross@xxxxxxxxx ****
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Chris Partridge <
>>>> partridgec@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:****
>>>>
>>>> You will find references to ‘bishop’ in the article.****
>>>>
>>>> I understand that Nicola and Giancarlo (and others) would regard
>>>> ‘bishop’
>>>> as a role, qua object, etc.****
>>>>
>>>> Historically this ‘role’ was introduced to ensure that legal title to
>>>> property given to the church remained with the bishop (corporation
>>>> sole)
>>>> rather than inherited by his kin. It was then extended to
>>>> monarchs.****
>>>>
>>>> I find it odd that a qua object can own property, have
>>>> responsibilities,
>>>> declare war (Monarchs), etc. – which the person cannot do.****
>>>>
>>>> I also cannot see how this would work if the corporation sole did not
>>>> have
>>>> some kind of identity.****
>>>>
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>> *From:* ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>> ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Jack Ring
>>>> *Sent:* 31 January 2012 13:24****
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *To:* Ontology Summit 2012 discussion
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [ontology-summit] System Components****
>>>>
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>> I do not find 'role' mentioned in the given URL regarding 'sole'****
>>>>
>>>> Elsewhere in widipedia is "role posits the following about social
>>>> behaviour: #3. Roles are occupied by individuals, who are called
>>>> actors<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actors>
>>>> ."****
>>>>
>>>> Overall It seems that role specifies a location in a coordinate
>>>> system,
>>>> not an operator such as actor.****
>>>>
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>> Seems to me that the ****
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 31, 2012, at 1:50 AM, Chris Partridge wrote:****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> One sense, for another see e.g.
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation_sole****
>>>>
>>>> ‘role’ covers a wide variety of meanings****
>>>>
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>> *From:* ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>> ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Jack Ring
>>>> *Sent:* 30 January 2012 23:33
>>>> *To:* Ontology Summit 2012 discussion
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [ontology-summit] System Components****
>>>>
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>> According to David Taylor, Object Technology for Managers, role is
>>>> simply
>>>> an authorization to act, not the operator that acts. Operators inherit
>>>> roles then process operands accordingly. ****
>>>>
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 30, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Nicola Guarino wrote:****
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>> Dear Matthew, ****
>>>>
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>> just a few clarifications concerning my lab's work. Note that
>>>> I
>>>> am just trying to catch up with the (main points of the) discussion,
>>>> and
>>>> I
>>>> am probably missing many things. I look forward to seeing the
>>>> discussion
>>>> synthesised somewhere, in order to allow everybody to understand how
>>>> we
>>>> progress.****
>>>>
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>> Matthew West writes (answering to Giancarlo Guizzardi):****
>>>>
>>>> An alternative to this issue can be thought of by considering qua
>>>> individuals
>>>> (e.g.http://www.loa.istc.cnr.it/Papers/KR04MasoloC.pdf)****
>>>>
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>> MW: This is very similar to the 4D, but is relatively opaque, and
>>>> gives
>>>> more individuals than if you adopt extensional identity in 4D. In this
>>>> case
>>>> playing multiple roles simultaneously does not give multiple states,
>>>> but
>>>> one state playing multiple roles. A bit more elegant I think.****
>>>>
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>> or perspectiles
>>>>
>http://www.loa.istc.cnr.it/Papers/BottazziFerrarioPerspectilesEuroCogSciv.pdf
>>>> ). ****
>>>>
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>> MW: This seems to generalise the idea above a bit. One problem I have
>>>> with
>>>> both of these is that (if I understand it correctly) they treat social
>>>> and
>>>> other roles as purely classes. This gives me a problem if I want to
>>>> shake
>>>> the hand of the president, or start P101, because classes are
>>>> abstract,
>>>> and
>>>> these are just things you can’t do to them. This is central to what I
>>>> find
>>>> unsatisfactory with these kinds of approaches. The situation is
>>>> confused
>>>> by
>>>> there being several different meanings to role, from the participant
>>>> role
>>>> in an activity or state, to the component in a system, or social role
>>>> with
>>>> significant differences in character between them.****
>>>>
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>> The second paper is still work in progress, while the first one is
>>>> more
>>>> established. In both cases, however, for sure the approach does not
>>>> only
>>>> admit roles as "pure classes", and new kinds of individuals are
>>>> introduced.
>>>> I defend a similar, although slightly different approach in the paper
>>>> below, which explicitly considers the parts replacement problem (among
>>>> other things) by introducing the notion of a "virtual individual"
>>>> (NOTE
>>>> -
>>>> this is still a draft - comments welcome):****
>>>>
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7903842/Guarino-FunctionalPartsFunctionalRoles.pdf
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>> Best,****
>>>>
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>> Nicola****
>>>>
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