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From: paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 23:14:12 +0700
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Thanks Katie
 >
>  "Worked in Milan in the travel industry (Tourism Association) and then music
>  publishing and intellectual property administration at Warner Music in my
>  twenties.
>
>  There I learned how to write a contract and file a lawsuit,
>
>  which came in very handy later in life..."
>
>    (01)

:-)    (02)

what the internet doesnt say: life has taught me to aim for out of
court settlements
:-)    (03)

anyway the problem with patenting 'open' is that someone else may have
filed before
(lawyers joke)    (04)

pdm    (05)






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>  To: Ontology Summit 2008; Rex Brooks
>  Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] founding members meeting' , ownership of
>  'open ontology', communique and new list?
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>
> Deborah
>
>  all contributions to the Ontolog community todate, are under the
>  existing copyright policty, which includes 'right of attribution'  -
>  this means nobody can extrapolate knowlege propagated via the list
>  withouth duly referencing its source.
>
>  This include all discussions, papers and wiki entries relating to Open
>  Ontology, (from which the OOR stuff is derived) and Ontology Metadata,
>  for example (of which, incidentally I am the author)
>
>  Even if the names of the topics are shuffled around a bit, and the
>  content of the contribution is desperately being y morphed and
>  exploded into bigger picture using awkward linguisting convolutions,
>  it is obvious that the OOR  discussions, and  derived artifaces,
>  currently being discussed in a privale list, under a separate IPR
>  policy, to be
>  decided,  originated from those entries done on the list and on the
>  wiki, and reference existing copyrighted work (stuff that is not on
>  the ontolog list)
>
>  So while lack of reference in subsequent developments of this research
>  area is unethical (and puzzling) it is also a copyright infringement
>  (right of attribution). of pre- existing IPR
>
>  So I am afraid ' to be specified soon'  implies, by law,  in
>  accordance to existing IPR policies of the forum where the IPR was
>  generated in the first place
>
>  etc etc etc
>
>  pdm
>
>  IOn Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Deborah MacPherson <debmacp@xxxxxxxxx>
>  wrote:
>  > I have in my notes here that the OOR was to be licensed under Creative
>  > Commons or opensource.org policy to be specified soon.
>  >
>  > Also, the last talk yesterday, includes an overview of MANY policies
>  > especially seen final portion by Mike Dean.
>  >
>  > Best Regards,
>  >
>  > Deborah
>  >
>  >
>  > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:42 PM, <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > Greetings all
>  > >
>  > > It was a pleasure to finally meet everybody at the Summit, and thanks
>  > > again for efforts being put up. The forum is a great resource for all
>  > > of us, and as the community grows it is important that 'active
>  > > community members' take more responsiblity for its development.
>  > > I hope it continues to stay that way.
>  > >
>  > >  I was surprised to learn today about an 'open ontology founders
>  > > meeting' which took place in January
>  > >
>  > >
>  >
>  http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2008_01_23#nid17D
>  9
>  > >
>  > > because I found no reference in my inbox nor in the list archives, to
>  > > any invitation to participate in such meeting.
>  > > Can someone point me to any announcement about that meeting (before it
>  > > took place?)
>  > >
>  > > Specifically on that wiki page, ther is a reference to some not better
>  > > specified IPR being reserved, but no acknowledgment of prior
>  > > work and existing IPR, which is in contradiction of some of the
>  > > principles of our community and forum, and could possibly cause
>  > > conflict
>  > >
>  > > Being an early proponent of 'Open Ontology', both in terms of wording
>  > > and concepts (I have published papers on this forum and elsewhere
>  > > about this work) and having already extracted a set of metadata from
>  > > the framework, which our metadata champion Michael did not know of,
>  > > (while the rest of this community did, as we discussed it extensively
>  > > on this list)  I was particularly surprised to learn that the
>  > > participants to the 2008 summit have not been informed of the pre
>  > > existing , and prior work under the same heading, and related
>  > > pre-existing IPR.
>  > >
>  > > Issues such as 'ownership' and control of 'open ontology' concept and
>  > > derived artifacts should be addressed, before they can be claimed and
>  > > trademarked by related parties.
>  > >
>  > > I would thefore encourage clarification as required, as well as
>  > > acnkowledgment of prior IPR, in order to avoid potential conflicts,
>  > > and some information relating to such new lists where the OOR work is
>  > > being discussed where we can cross reference the contributions made to
>  > > date, so that they can be duly acknowledged by the body of knowledge
>  > > which is being generated.
>  > >
>  > > I would encourage such issues to be addressed and clarified before the
>  > > communique issued, as some of the statements therein contained may
>  > > constitue an infringement of existing copyright, and this forum
>  > > brought up to date on the new OOR list (where to join?) and other
>  > > developments
>  > >
>  > > I look forward to developments
>  > >
>  > > --
>  > > Paola Di Maio
>  > > School of IT
>  > > www.mfu.ac.th
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