By the way,Paola ... there is no "private list" ... all the work on
the OOR Initiative are open too (thought I suggested that you read up
on it before making your claims, earlier.)
See: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OpenOntologyRepository (01)
=ppy (02)
P.S. I am glad you are "accusing" me of not being transparent ... this
one I can defend myself. If you had gone the other way, I might get
into trouble. :-) ... Relax! =ppy
-- (03)
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Oops ... ignore the last message (with no content), while I didn't
> mean to say anything now, I did want to remind Paola that I said I
> will deal with this "after this week" ... and I mean it.
>
> Paola, I also told you this is not the right forum (because you issue
> was with the "OOR Initiative") ... and I mean it too ... I don't want
> to waste dozens or hundreds of people's time on what could just have
> been confusion on your part.
>
> In the mean time, if you could compile a list of the instances you
> think your copyrights are being violated, we might then consult
> someone who know better, whether you do, or don't have a case. I am no
> IPR attorney, and therefore, I could be as confused about your issues
> as you are.
>
> [ btw ... may I suggest that you don't say something like I used the
> words "open" and "ontology" right next to each other and therefore,
> the next time anyone says "open ontology" they will have to say "Paola
> said it first, here at this forum" ... because, if that's how you are
> going to approach it, I will threaten to patent the alphabet "o" ....
> :-) =ppy]
>
> Regards. =ppy
> --
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 12:52 PM, <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Deborah
> > >
> > > all contributions to the Ontolog community todate, are under the
> > > existing copyright policty, which includes 'right of attribution' -
> > > this means nobody can extrapolate knowlege propagated via the list
> > > withouth duly referencing its source.
> > >
> > > This include all discussions, papers and wiki entries relating to Open
> > > Ontology, (from which the OOR stuff is derived) and Ontology Metadata,
> > > for example (of which, incidentally I am the author)
> > >
> > > Even if the names of the topics are shuffled around a bit, and the
> > > content of the contribution is desperately being y morphed and
> > > exploded into bigger picture using awkward linguisting convolutions,
> > > it is obvious that the OOR discussions, and derived artifaces,
> > > currently being discussed in a privale list, under a separate IPR
> > > policy, to be
> > > decided, originated from those entries done on the list and on the
> > > wiki, and reference existing copyrighted work (stuff that is not on
> > > the ontolog list)
> > >
> > > So while lack of reference in subsequent developments of this research
> > > area is unethical (and puzzling) it is also a copyright infringement
> > > (right of attribution). of pre- existing IPR
> > >
> > > So I am afraid ' to be specified soon' implies, by law, in
> > > accordance to existing IPR policies of the forum where the IPR was
> > > generated in the first place
> > >
> > > etc etc etc
> > >
> > > pdm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > IOn Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Deborah MacPherson
><debmacp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > I have in my notes here that the OOR was to be licensed under
>Creative
> > > > Commons or opensource.org policy to be specified soon.
> > > >
> > > > Also, the last talk yesterday, includes an overview of MANY policies
> > > > especially seen final portion by Mike Dean.
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Deborah
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:42 PM, <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Greetings all
> > > > >
> > > > > It was a pleasure to finally meet everybody at the Summit, and
>thanks
> > > > > again for efforts being put up. The forum is a great resource for
>all
> > > > > of us, and as the community grows it is important that 'active
> > > > > community members' take more responsiblity for its development.
> > > > > I hope it continues to stay that way.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was surprised to learn today about an 'open ontology founders
> > > > > meeting' which took place in January
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
>http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2008_01_23#nid17D9
> > > > >
> > > > > because I found no reference in my inbox nor in the list archives,
>to
> > > > > any invitation to participate in such meeting.
> > > > > Can someone point me to any announcement about that meeting
>(before it
> > > > > took place?)
> > > > >
> > > > > Specifically on that wiki page, ther is a reference to some not
>better
> > > > > specified IPR being reserved, but no acknowledgment of prior
> > > > > work and existing IPR, which is in contradiction of some of the
> > > > > principles of our community and forum, and could possibly cause
> > > > > conflict
> > > > >
> > > > > Being an early proponent of 'Open Ontology', both in terms of
>wording
> > > > > and concepts (I have published papers on this forum and elsewhere
> > > > > about this work) and having already extracted a set of metadata
>from
> > > > > the framework, which our metadata champion Michael did not know of,
> > > > > (while the rest of this community did, as we discussed it
>extensively
> > > > > on this list) I was particularly surprised to learn that the
> > > > > participants to the 2008 summit have not been informed of the pre
> > > > > existing , and prior work under the same heading, and related
> > > > > pre-existing IPR.
> > > > >
> > > > > Issues such as 'ownership' and control of 'open ontology' concept
>and
> > > > > derived artifacts should be addressed, before they can be claimed
>and
> > > > > trademarked by related parties.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would thefore encourage clarification as required, as well as
> > > > > acnkowledgment of prior IPR, in order to avoid potential conflicts,
> > > > > and some information relating to such new lists where the OOR work
>is
> > > > > being discussed where we can cross reference the contributions
>made to
> > > > > date, so that they can be duly acknowledged by the body of
>knowledge
> > > > > which is being generated.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would encourage such issues to be addressed and clarified before
>the
> > > > > communique issued, as some of the statements therein contained may
> > > > > constitue an infringement of existing copyright, and this forum
> > > > > brought up to date on the new OOR list (where to join?) and other
> > > > > developments
> > > > >
> > > > > I look forward to developments
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Paola Di Maio
> > > > > School of IT
> > > > > www.mfu.ac.th
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