| Correction. Second sentence should read:
Are relations not "conceptual" in the way that "concepts" are?
Sorry 'bout that. On Apr 20, 2007, at 20:57 , Bill Andersen wrote: Pat,
How come "relations" are a separate category from "concepts"? Are relations not "conceptual" in the way that "conceptual" are? If it is the case that 'concept' is just parlor speak for those things that we typically represent with nodes in a taxonomy or unary predicates in a logic, and if 'relation' is used to talk about those things that are not "concepts" (i.e. the things we like to represent with predicate terms of arity greater than one), then the distinction seems artificial. Should there not be just "concepts" divided into the 1-, 2- ... n-ary cases?
.bill On Apr 20, 2007, at 19:12 , Cassidy, Patrick J. wrote: In discussions I use: "A representation of the structure of concepts and the relations between them, in a form that a computer can reason with."
Pat
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-----Original Message----- Of Peter F Brown Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:08 PM To: Ontology Summit 2007 Forum Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Ontology Framework Draft StatementfortheOntology Summit
Too many too's... ;-)
But seriously, are we looking for a Gartner Group-style 4 word
mission statement to make it sound good, or do we want a formulation that actually does mean something and that we can agree on? Brevity does not always equate with clarity: if I have to choose to sacrifice one, it would be brevity.
Peter
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Deborah MacPherson Sent: 20 April 2007 16:02 To: Ontology Summit 2007 Forum Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Ontology Framework Draft Statement fortheOntology Summit
"a formal description of terms that represent concepts and relationships in as chosen subject matter of interest"
is too long, too much of a mouthful of too many words.
Debbie
Its almost good enough... But an ontology is more than just about
terms.
How about:
"a formal description of terms that represent concepts and relationships in as chosen subject matter of interest"
Mike
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-----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 3:08 PM To: Ontology Summit 2007 Forum Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Ontology Framework Draft
Statement for theOntology Summit
I agree: we've worked with the definition "a formal descriptions of terms and the relationships between them" [1] as being good
enough to know what we talking about when we're talking about what
we're talking about...and "good enough" should be good enough.
Peter
[1] From 'OASIS Reference Model for Service-Oriented Architecture',
p17, see
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Chris Welty Sent: 19 April 2007 20:23 To: Ontology Summit 2007 Forum Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Ontology Framework Draft
Statement for the Ontology Summit
Surely after 15 years we can do better than "specification of a conceptualization"? Isn't it time we put that one to rest?
-Chris
Obrst, Leo J. wrote: All,
Here is our draft statement about the Ontology Framework.
We invite you to consider and discuss this -- now and in next
week's sessions. We intend this to be an inclusive characterization of what an
ontology
is. Inclusive: meaning that we invite you to consider
where you and your community is with respect to these dimensions. If you have concerns or issues, restatements or elaborations, please
let us know now and next week. This will shortly be posted on the
Framework Wiki page:
meworksFor Consideration.
Thanks much,
Tom Gruber, Michael Gruninger, Pat Hayes, Deborah McGuinness, Leo Obrst
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