| | Marco,
 I failed to mention a couple of important factors affecting
      validation.
 One is the ability to eavesdrop on complex systems which results
      in meaningful information. To the extent possible the system
      should be able to tell you what is going on. This is one of my pet
      gripes with connectionist systems. They don't even know themselves
      what they are doing and certainly can't describe any internal
      process.
 
 The other is the judicious use of dashboards. The most effective
      ones are split between standard information you always want to see
      and the other part of the display allows you to scan the system
      and display more localized information in detail. This is the
      'drill-down' function that allows close examination. It is
      somewhat related to 'paraphrasing' but that is a difficult study.
      Some work has yielded paraphrasing based on 'breadcrumbs' of
      processes (verbs) and some relies on journaling. And the use of
      'info' files helps new system users. These can be sprinkled amply
      throughout the ontology and a switch can be used to turn them
      on/off as desired. They can even be given -v (verbose) levels.
 
 -John Bottoms
 FirstStar Systems
 Concord, MA
 
 On 5/21/2013 12:31 AM, Osorno, Marcos wrote:
 
 
      John, 
 Thank you for the insights. 
 
          
            Great question and one
              that has had my interest for quite a while.Testing usually centers on two critical elements, 1.) what
              are the requirements that must be met by the system, and
              2.) is the testing to the spec. done by: a.) Inspection,
              b.) demonstration, or c.) test.
 
 
 Those certainly seem like good categories.  It seems like I
        encounter two general categories of systems: (1) generalized
        knowledge systems (like Wikipedia) and (2) domain specific
        applications of ontologies/schemas within other applications
        (like Yelp or Google Maps). In the first case, I'd be curious
        about general fundamentals for evaluating the requirements and
        specifications of a generalized KR system. I think the second
        case is more difficult because it requires analysis of the role
        of the ontology within the context of the domain. 
 
          
            The questions you ask
              are answered differently depending on these two primary
              issues. For example, your question about KR is best
              answered as addressing it as a derived requirement. The
              design approach addresses the problem and may select one
              of a number of different types of KR. (A solid reason I
              prefer to talk about data structures and methods, rather
              than implementation languages.) 
 Lately, I've been thinking about it in similar ways but more
        closely related to engineering cost: availability of libraries,
        complexity of supporting code, complexity of join operations,
        availability of support IT staff/developers, complexity of
        backend support systems, etc. However, that still doesn't really
        help me nail down how well the model performs as a possible
        representation of the world for the system nor does it help make
        any sort of case for using anything more esoteric like OWL or CL
        in lieu of simple one-off JSON /XML  or DB ER representations.
        The world of no-SQL makes delaying ontological decision making
        even easier since I'm burdened less by the persistence layer
        (though I still have to map the business logic). I'm drawn to
        the concept of A|B and usability testing for models to see if
        different models help users to better answer questions about the
        the domain or derive deeper insights. We often tweak the UI, but
        how do we capture similar KR feedback and tweak the model? How
        do we test various alternative representations? Also, I would
        argue that often the representation isn't the derived
        requirement, but rather that the representation is fairly
        central to many systems while the UI and other implementation
        details are actually the derived requirements. I believe that
        many of our newer web-based systems are effectively knowledge
        systems helping represent the world for us to aid in our daily
        lives and decision making more than they are brick-and-mortar,
        meatspace applications. Yet, while we talk about usability quite
        a bit, we don't really focus on the evaluation of
        representativeness, insightfulness, etc. 
 
          
            The problem statement
              starts the design process and shapes the subsequent stages
              of the process. If you have an idea of the types of
              problem you have in mind it will aid in the discussion. 
 
          Right now I'm dealing
            with projects where the model is the product which is what's
            making things complicated from an evaluation perspective.
            The use case includes a variety of new schemas and standards
            for sharing computer security information. The schemas are
            well thought out and comprehensive. But since a generalized
            model is the product, I'm not sure I have the tools/approach
            to evaluate the model without re-inventing it as I go. This
            means that I have to sort out theoretical use cases and
            requirements for the evaluation of the schema which is fine.
            The tricker part is populating the model with anything
            resembling realistic data or a real use case. This is
            troubling because at that point am I evaluating the model as
            a possible representation of the world or am I evaluating
            how difficult the model is to populate? 
 Cheers, 
 Marcos =-=-=-= Marcos Osorno JHU/APL 
 
  
 
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