Thanks,
I had missed SIMF I see that Cory Casenave posted in this forum about it two years ago. Glad to know about it.
Wm
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Sjir Nijssen <Sjir.Nijssen@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi William,
See below as
[[Sjir: ….]]
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On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Sjir Nijssen <Sjir.Nijssen@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi William,
Indeed the distinction between the world of the objects (entities, things) and the world of the names (references, labels) for the things as well as their connection is a fundamental aspect
of conceptual modeling as defined in ISO TR9007 (1987).
In one part of ISO TR9007 there is the distinction between NOLOTs (Non Lexical Object Types) and LOTs (Lexical Object types) and their connection.
Excellent.
Only, what I am saying, in support of Hans Polzner and the NCOIC SCOPE model, is how absolutely important are LOTs, not only as clearly needed, but because of their role in human psychology and sociology, and
not only LOTS, but everything else about how we communicate that is extra-logical.
[[Sjir: I agree with that position.]]
I believe that if we don't start with that understanding, we are bound to walk into some organizational reality walls.
[[Sjir: indeed, well expressed. ]](Do currency traders and programmers *want* to make it easier for other people to trade currencies or build currency trading systems? cf. Davenport, Information Politics), Thus, the
idea that we start by building some *bridges* between 'silos', [[Sjir: You might be interested in the SIMF effort that is going on at OMG.]]
instead of thinking we can simply tear them down ....
Regards
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 10:43 AM, John F Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
If you change terminology fast enough, you get an illusion of progress.
John
And THIS is one of my own favorite observations. Not quite on topic, but I can't resist:
A technology manager, charged in 1999 with replacing a global system where replacement projects had repeatedly failed, changed the NAME of the system, changed all the documentation and the code that mentioned the name to the new name, (did also buy new machines
compatable with the old),and declared victory. This project was accomplished in less than a year, and for only about $XXMM. I thought, welcome to the 21st century. This person is now CTO of that enterprise.
Beyond the fact that we ontologists focus on logical implication, rather than equally important conversational implicature, there is **the entire world** of the sociology and psychology of language, which is where I would venture at least 80% of the purpose
of the things people say lies. While we are saying, the name is not important, it is the concept behind the name we are after, and yet, as is often reported in these exchanges, are arguing about the names all the time. People have many many reasons to resist
the goals of a 'singularity" I think Hans's point, contra to Kingsley's, lies here.
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