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Re: [ontolog-forum] UML and Semantics

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From: "Hassan Aït-Kaci" <hassanaitkaci@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 12:17:45 -0800
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An emphatic +1 to this. Amen! Thanks John.    (01)

Ugly notation, useless details, and square-wheel semantics - indeed.    (02)

Fads surfing on the gullibility and ignorance of a new generation.    (03)

-hak    (04)

On 12/4/2012 11:44 AM, John F Sowa wrote:
> Dave, Ed, William, Leo, Kingsley, John B, et al.,
>
> We have a many points of agreement, and most of the debates are
> about details of secondary importance.
>
> Following is a summary of the main issues:
>
>    1. The ultimate source of meaning is the real world and the people
>       who communicate about it -- among themselves and with IT systems.
>
>    2. The AI formalisms have never been popular with mainstream IT,
>       and newer versions based on an uglier syntax are no better.
>
>    3. But diagrams of various kinds have been popular with mainstream IT
>       since the punched card days.
>
>    4. Some version of logic is necessary to define and relate the
>       semantics of the various diagrams and notations to each other
>       and to the languages people read, write, and speak.
>
>    5. Tim B-L's emphasis on diversity, heterogeneity, and interoperability
>       is necessary to support legacy systems, current mainstream IT, and
>       whatever innovations anybody may develop in the future.
>
>    6. Unless we can provide tools, techniques, and interfaces that IT
>       developers can use with their current systems, no amount preaching
>       will convince them that logic and ontology are useful.
>
> My main complaint about the Semantic Web is that it lost sight of these
> issues while trying to enforce compliance with secondary details.  Until
> we address the main issues, it's pointless to standardize the details
> of notations that nobody will adopt.
>
> John
>
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