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Re: [ontolog-forum] Universal Basic Semantic Structures

To: doug@xxxxxxxxxx, "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: William Frank <williamf.frank@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:22:51 -0400
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On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:58 PM, doug foxvog <doug@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Thu, September 27, 2012 00:33, Pat Hayes wrote:
> On Sep 26, 2012, at 10:04 PM, William Frank wrote:
>> On 9/26/2012 5:45 PM, Pat Hayes wrote:
  >>> On Sep 26, 2012, at 1:10 PM, William Frank wrote:

> ...
> So, this is a good rule for the completeness of an ontology, only it is
> not a rule about the world, where everything DOES have a classifier.

Again, i object to the idea that things in the world have classifiers.  It
is sentient beings that generate the classifiers and attach them to things
whether they are in the world, or not.

Absolutely right that only sentient beings classify things.    They are in the world too. 

But they do not usually create formal ontologies to do so.  They make natural classfications.   I was attempting to distinquish between formal ontologies, a kind of scientific activity where we organize the natural ontologies of various communities of sentient beings.  This formal ontology  is not in the world of the scientist's observations, but are the result of his scientific analysis, while the ontologies of the communities he is observing are what I meant by "in the world".

>> It is a rule about how to build a human aritifact, a formal ontology.

OTOH, the implicit domain concepts used by New Orleans jazz musicians is not a human artifact, it is a naturally occuring phenomina of human culture.   What some  anthropoligical linguists create to explain and document this natural occurence would be an artifact.

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