That's a pretty sweeping statement, Todd
Care to share why it is "rubbish"? And if there are valuable lessons to be
learned, I'd be pleased to learn them (01)
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| Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Fwd: [New post] The Newest from SOA: The SOA
| Ontology Technical Standard
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| To all concerned or interested the SOA ontology put forth by the Open Group is
| rubbish for many reasons. I provided several pages of comments and
| justifications to an earlier draft and almost all of my comments were not
| accepted.
|
| However, there is some value in this work. It can be used as an example of
| errors that are commonly made.
|
| Finally, I'd like to commend Chris Harding in his efforts to reconcile very
| divergent views and opinions.
|
| Todd
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| Date: Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:03 AM
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| Services Oriented Architecture <soa@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Steve Connolly <
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| Cliff
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| Date:
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| From:
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| The Newest from SOA: The SOA Ontology Technical Standard
| The Open Group Blog | December 8, 2010 at 5:42 am | Tags: architect,
| communication, enterprise, IT, Open Group, organizations, OWL, SOA, SOA
| Ontology, SOA standards, SOA Work Group | Categories: Cloud/SOA | URL:
| http://wp.me/p1cB5i-1L
| By Heather Kreger
| Open Group just announced the availability of the SOA Ontology Technical
| Standard.
| Ontology?? Sounds very ‘semantic Web,’ doesn’t it? Just smacks of
| reasoning engines. What on earth do architects using SOA want with
| reasoning engines?
| Actually, Ontologies are misunderstood — an Ontology is simply the
| definition of a set of concepts and the relationships between them for a
| particular domain — in this case, the domain is SOA.
| They don’t HAVE to be used for reasoning… or semantic Web. And they are
| more than a simple glossary which defines terms, because they also define
| relationships between them — something important for SOA, we thought. It’s
| also important to note that they are more formal than Reference Models,
| usually by providing representations in OWL (just in case you want to use
| popular tools for Ontology and reasoners).
| What would an architect do with THIS ontology?
|
| It can be used simply to read and understand the key concepts of SOA, and
| more importantly, a set of definitions and UNDERSTANDING of key concepts
| that you can agree to use with others in your company and between
| organizations. Making sure you are ‘speaking the same language’ is
| essential for any architect to be able to communicate effectively with IT,
| business, and marketing professionals within the enterprise as well as
| with vendors and suppliers outside the enterprise. This common language
| can help ensure that you can ask the right questions and interpret the
| answers you get unambiguously.
| It can be used as a basis for the models for the SOA solution as well. In
| fact, this is happening in the SOA repository standard under development
| in OASIS, S-RAMP, where they have used the SOA Ontology as the
| foundational business model for registry/repository integration.
| The Ontology can also be augmented with additional related domain-specific
| ontologies; for example, on Governance or Business Process Management… or
| even in a vertical industry like retail where ARTS is developing service
| models. In fact, we, the SOA Ontology project, tried to define the
| minimum, absolutely core concepts needed for SOA and allow other domain
| experts to define additional details for Policy, Process, Service
| Contract, etc.
| This Ontology was developed to be consistent with existing and developing
| SOA standards including OMG’s SOA/ML and BPMN and those in the Open Group
| SOA Workgroup: SOA Governance Framework, OSIMM, and the SOA Reference
| Architecture. It seems it would have been good to have developed this
| standard before now, but the good news is that it is grounded in extensive
| real-world experience developing, deploying and communicating about SOA
| solutions over the past five years. The Ontology reflects the lessons
| learned about what terms NOT to use to avoid confusion, and how to best
| distinguish among some common and often overused concepts like service
| composition, process, service contracts, and policy and their roles in
| SOA.
| Have a look at the new SOA Ontology and see if it can help you in your
| communications for SOA. It’s available to you free at this link:
| http://www.opengroup.org/bookstore/catalog/c104.htm
| Additional Links:
| SOA Work Group: http://www.opengroup.org/soa, publishes the SOA Ontology,
| SOA Governance Framework, OSIMM (Service Integration Maturity Model), and
| SOA Reference Architecture
| SOA Ontology project:
| http://www.opengroup.org/soa/projects/ont.htm#_Ontologies_for_SOA
| SOA Repository Artifact Model and Protocol (S-RAMP), http://s-ramp.org,
| http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=s-ramp
| OMG, http://www.omg.org, publishes the SOA/ML and BPMN standards work
| Heather Kreger is IBM’s lead architect for Smarter Planet, Policy, and SOA
| Standards in the IBM Software Group, with 15 years of standards
| experience. She has led the development of standards for Cloud, SOA, Web
| services, Management and Java in numerous standards organizations,
| including W3C, OASIS, DMTF, and Open Group. Heather is currently co-chair
| for the Open Group’s SOA Work Group and liaison for the Open Group SOA and
| Cloud Work Groups to ISO/IEC JTC1 SC7 SOA SG and INCITS DAPS38 (US TAG to
| ISO/IEC JTC 1 SC38). Heather is also the author of numerous articles and
| specifications, as well as the book Java and JMX, Building Manageable
| Systems, and most recently was co-editor of Navigating the SOA Open
| Standards Landscape Around Architecture.
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