Re: [ontolog-forum] Inventor of the Web Gets Backing to Build Web of Dat

[Pavithra <pavithra_kenjige@xxxxxxxxx>]

In that case,  probably we can clarify the concept of Semantic web, and the need for research dollars for interoperability...

I do believe that semantic web has been in operation in some form or an another already!
I do not agree that it  has not taken off...  Google already provides some aspect of it.. as Dr. Sowa said it..   ( But one has to formalize it in an academic way..) . But there are lot of tools out there, that provide some of the capabilities.

What is semantic web?  Without referring to any articles, could one say that? Start thinking of the  "concept" rather than the implementation technique .. 

Problem with Web 1.0:

With web, one could view  data and documents in limited format...   The functionality was limited and there was a need to update, integrate data of different format from different sources, make the data meaningful and usable on the web from anywhere in the world.

Web 2.0:

One could read and write on the web, but could not integrate data from all sources.. ( live and stored..)

Web 3.0

Semantic web or Web 3.0 is the ability to view information on the web, from all sources, in the format that you wish that can be of use to you.   Sources of data  include text, graphics, images, blobs, audio,  video and stored and  live data.. of any sort!  With both read, and update capability with  Linked data what ever! 

At present, we already have many implementation that we use on a day to day basis!  All collaboration and social networking web tools,  Youtube,   rss feeds, GIS and GPS and recovery.org...   etc all representation of Semantic web..   At present, government uses it to tract recovery act!
 It is heavily used during disasters to convey information gather support from any part of the word..  I do not believe we need a business case to justify that. Help during Haiti earthquake was one of the fine example of what Semantic web did for humanity..

But if you are talking about OWL, RDF etc ..
Well we all had to study pascal in collage ( ancient times) never used it in the industry.. So there has to be list of tools and techniques that need to be considered as standard or basis .. so here we go.. support RDF, RDF2, OWL OWL 2 or what ever that all of you gurus decide on..

I think one has to do problem analysis of the limitation on web 3.0 and fund the research dollars ..   Funding a academic discipline for Semantic Web is a smart move.



Regards,
Pavithra


--- On Wed, 3/24/10, Cameron Ross <cross@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Cameron Ross <cross@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Inventor of the Web Gets Backing to Build Web of Data
To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 10:03 AM

For me, its not about whether or not to invest in R&D... clearly we need to do this.  Rather, its about what to invest in.

Cameron

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Pavithra <pavithra_kenjige@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Dr. Sowa,

With all due respect: 

I agree that google launched a successful product and is making billions.   So did Microsoft!   But those students or techies who are slogging in those product companies were educated in those universities that had few hundred or couple of million dollars in research funding..

Federal government let go of $32B in taxes for Citigroup for 2009!   I was sitting and thinking about what an university could do with that kind of money... 32 billion dollars!  It is a rich man's game!  So what is $32m compare to $32 Billion!

Government spends money in many ways... some of them of use and some of them ... well...  flushing down the toilet..


But when government spends money on educational institute and scientific research, it is never a waste. In fact, it is a vested in interest in humanity...

Regards,
Pavithra




--- On Wed, 3/24/10, John F. Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: John F. Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ontolog-forum] Inventor of the Web Gets Backing to Build Web of Data
To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 8:29 AM

Following is an article with the above title:

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/inventor_of_the_web_gets_backing_to_build_web_of_d.php

But I have more sympathy with the article with the title below.

As I have commented in various notes, I had misgivings about the
proposal by Pat C to build a foundation ontology with $30 million.
I have more misgivings about flushing £30 million down a toilet
that has already received more than its fair share of funding.

For comparison, note that Google was founded by a few graduate
students around the same time that Tim B-L published his book
on the Semantic Web.  But Google has generated multi-billions
in revenue, while governments are still pouring millions into
attempts to get the SW off the ground.

Re ontologies:  I believe that they are important.  But as I said
many times, the current SW technology is mostly a rehash of ideas
from the 1970s and '80s.  If it's not yet strong enough to compete
on its own, it's time to look for better alternatives.

John Sowa
________________________________________________________________________

Greatest Living Briton gets £30m for 'web science'

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/22/semantic_web_tbl/

As an alliance of the desperate, this one takes some beating. The
Greatest Living Briton (Sir Timothy Berners Lee) has been thrown £30m of
taxpayers' money for a new institute to research "web science"...

It's really a confluence of two groups of people with a shared interest
in bureaucracy. Computer Science is no longer about creating graduates
who can solve engineering challenges, but about generating work for the
academics themselves. The core expertise of a CompSci department today
is writing funding applications. And the Holy Grail for these paper
chasers is a blank cheque for work which can be conducted without
scrutiny for years to come. With its endless committees defining
standards (eg, "ontologies", "folksonomies") that no one will ever use,
the "Semantic Web" fits the bill perfectly...

The beauty of the "semantic web" - unworkable in anything other than a
small, tightly controlled context - is that it will be years before
anyone notices. By which time "Web Science" departments will have
flourished all over the land, and billions more will have been spent
trying to make Big Government small...


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