Peter, congratulations on your calm and reasoned approach below. (01)
All, let's now just get on with our discussions, explorations and
constructions, fully mindful and grateful as we are of the Herculean
though perceptive and discrete efforts that Peter has over the years
being putting in to hosting and leading this Forum. (02)
Christopher (speaking as one who has already in the past been on the
receiving end of one of Peter's kindly nudges...). (03)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Yim" <peter.yim@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <paoladimaio10@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 6:37 AM
Subject: [ontolog-forum] [OT] Paola di Maio fiasco [was - Re:
Knowledge,Options and Institutions] (04)
Paola, (05)
> [PdM] I apologise for sharing a link without
> commenting/annotation to
> make its relevance more explicit (06)
[ppy] don't apologize, but instead, please allow us to get back in
focus, and run a high quality, high signal-to-noise collaborative
environment by heeding some of my earlier suggestions (e.g. the
statements that I started with "Please: ..." under:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2010-01/msg00207.html#nid07
). (07)
> [PdM] Whats the best way for ontolog community members of
> sharing/pointing
> to a knowledge resources if not posting them to list? (08)
[ppy] that would depend on what one would like to share. If it is
relevant to the list, share it on the list. If it belongs more to a
social network setting, share it on facebook, linkedin, ... etc. ...
Ref. that book you were posting about, I trust you have done some
further reading, and maybe after the first 20 pages, you might
already
have discovered that this is more relevant to, say, "Knowledge
Management," "Knowledge Economy" or even "Technology and Society"
than
to "practical issues and strategies associated with the development
and application of ontologies," then you should find the more
appropriate community to share your insight (*after* you have gain
some insight) with the relevant community. On your post, your cited:
"Rating: (not yet rated) 0 with reviews - Be the first" ... so,
there
you go! ... Amazon.com carries this book too, and has only one
review
so far. You can try there too, it has communities built around
various
subject matters, and can definitely offer you a much larger audience
than here. (09)
> [PdM] I did not have the time to write up a commentary yesterday,
> and
> wanted to capture the reference as I was on it and before it got
> lost ... (010)
[ppy] Try keeping a notebook (paper of electronic), start a blog,
...
do something else, don't do it at the expense of the entire Ontolog
community, please. ... Maybe the majority of us don't like to hear
you
"think out loud" and that is causing much of the tension, and
Ontolog
is losing highly respected members of the ontology community because
of it. Can't you see that I am fighting you because you are hurting
this community (and not because of "mind control" or whatever you
suspect i am doing)? (011)
> [PdM] Collaborative knowledge creation starts with sharing
> resources... (012)
[ppy] sure ... but you should be mindful that Ontolog Forum has a
mission. As an extreme example, sharing cooking recipes with a
community would foster "collaborative knowledge creation" and result
in better cooking for many (I'm certain,) but it would be totally
inappropriate here. (013)
PAOLA ... you are a very smart woman, actually too smart for me to
know how to handle, as the convener of this forum. If you are asking
simple questions like the ones above, and cannot respect even very
straight forward requests, it is either: (014)
(a) you genuinely don't know better ... which I don't think is the
case,
(b) you think it's funny ... which I doubt; the rest of the
community probably doesn't think this is amusing either,
(c) you feel you have a right to do whatever you like here, at the
expense of everyone else, and you have no respect for the hosting
this
party, or
(d) you are being disruptive ... and if that is truly the case,
you
had better leave the party. (015)
While you enjoy being the center of attention. Personally, I just
want
to quietly support a community of practice that wants to move the
Ontolog Charter forward; therefore, please don't try to make me
repeat
my position over and over again. The only sure way to get to be the
center of attention in this community is to be *really* good
ontologist. Being rowdy will just get you kicked out. (016)
Please take note: being a part of this community is a privilege
(that
goes for *everyone* in the community), not a right! (017)
Regards. =ppy (018)
Peter Yim
Co-convener, ONTOLOG
-- (019)
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 4:37 AM, Paola Di Maio
<paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Mr Peter
>
> I apologise for sharing a link without commenting/annotation to
> make its
> relevance more explicit
>
> Whats the best way for ontolog community members of
> sharing/pointing to a
> knowledge resources if not posting them to list?
>
> I did not have the time to write up a commentary yesterday, and
> wanted to
> capture the reference as I was on it and before it got lost
> to the sea of references, others may be able to comment in the
> meantime, i
> ll get back to it later (maybe two years )
>
> Collaborative knowledge creation starts with sharing resources...
>
>
>
>
>
> PDM (020)
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>> Ms. Paola,
>>
>>
>> Ontolog is neither a book club, nor a social network. It is
>> possible
>> that this is a great book (although making that conclusion after
>> 20
>> pages for an almost 400 page book may seem a little premature)
>> but
>> that is *not relevant* ... the way you brought it up, and how far
>> it
>> is removed from our chartered discussion, just makes you post
>> "noise'
>> rather than "signal."
>>
>> Can't you detect the similarity in the way you made this post
>> with
>> example (A) in my earlier request (ref.
>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2010-01/msg00207.html#nid07
>> ), a M.O. which I was imploring the community to try to avoid, so
>> we
>> can improve on the signal-to-noise ratio on this forum?
>>
>> I am certain this will be of interest to some people, and is a
>> very
>> appropriate post in a different setting ... so, *please*, take
>> this,
>> and other similar conversation of yours elsewhere.
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance. =ppy
>>
>> Peter Yim
>> Co-convener, ONTOLOG
>> -- (021)
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Paola Di Maio
>> <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > <label: to be read in the context of other forum posts>
>> >
>> > I am reading pages 19-20 of this great book online, and
>> > although I do
>> > not have the time to offer any sensible commentary at the
>> > moment, I thought
>> > I would share
>> >
>> > some of you may enjoy reading the commentary that pertains to
>> > some of
>> > the threads under discussion
>> >
>> > PDM
>> >
>> > Knowledge, options, and institutions
>> >
>> > Author: Bruce Mitchel Kogut
>> > Publisher: Oxford ; New York : Oxford University Press, 2008.
>> > Edition/Format: Book : EnglishView all editions and formats
>> > Rating:
>> >
>> > (not yet rated) 0 with reviews - Be the first.
>> >
>> > insane uris for online version (auch)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=d5Ba6MsLWGcC&lpg=PP1&ots=tkzAGzQFOK&dq=Knowledge%20and%20the%20speed%20of%20the%20transfer%20and%20imitation%20of%20organizational%20capabilities%3A%20an%20empirical%20test&pg=PA19#v=onepage&q=Knowledge%20and%20the%20speed%20of%20the%20transfer%20and%20imitation%20of%20organizational%20capabilities:%20an%20empirical%20test&f=false
>> >
>> > <iframe frameborder="0" scrolling="no" style="border:0px"
>> >
>src="http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=d5Ba6MsLWGcC&lpg=PP1&ots=tkzAGzQFOK&dq=Knowledge%20and%20the%20speed%20of%20the%20transfer%20and%20imitation%20of%20organizational%20capabilities%3A%20an%20empirical%20test&pg=PA19&output=embed";
>> > width=500 height=500></iframe>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Paola Di Maio
>> > **************************************************
>> > “Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you
>> > everywhere.”
>> > Albert Einstein
>> > ************************************************** (022)
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