Peter, Matthew, Pavitra,
and those who have emailed :-)
Peter, you obviously like making me the center of your on list frustrations,
no worries, I am bold enough, and again sorry that discoursive posts, and honest
replies to thread, make you unconfortable
Pavitra, and others, thanks for making Peter note that his moderation style on this
occasion is a tad hysterical (lets try to see the humourous side of it?)
Mathew, you are right
My behaviour on this forum is based on the assumption that this is an open forum,
and not Peter Yims personal space - if thats the case, many things are explained
(including the narrow stance on some threads) -
But please look at my posts, what exactly is it that I say to cause such
an irrational escalade? I asked others (offlist) to tell me what exactly did I say
that warrants such vile attacks, and nobody came back with anything
I do however exert my (human) right to freedom of speech and opinion
on this list, as well as anywhere else
It says this is an open community, etc etc, this changes everything!
(i was wondering why the forum has had the same convener in all these years... )
On the other hand, look at how this escalated
Peter picked some out of context portions of my post (from an otherwise interesting thread)
and pointed at them as inappropriate
I, and others, have pointed out that yes, we need less noise, but picking
out on one person/snippets may not be correct
peter leashed out on me on list (not offlist )
I merely defend myself against personal attacks,
Anway I am thoroughly bored with this now
Peter, please do take your insults against me offlist would you?
I will resist your onlist provocations from now on, but after I meet my deadline
a private duel is in order, your choice of weapons
PDM
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Matthew West <dr.matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
I think it is very easy to find yourself behaving inappropriately
in this forum, and that is because it can look like an entirely open and public
space, which really it is not. Let me try to draw an analogy on how I see
things.
Acceptable behaviour varies depending on where you are. When
you are in your own home you can do very nearly what you like. Murder would
still be frowned on, but you can certainly say what you like as often and as
loud as you like, and if I am visiting you I have no right to complain, but I
am free to leave.
In a public space what you can say will depend on where you are.
In the US you can probably still say what you like, in the UK at least if you
say it too loudly you might be charged with disturbing the peace. In Iran you might
have to be altogether more careful.
When you visit someone else’s home it is a different matter. If
you have been invited to a party and the host thinks you are making too much
noise, he may ask you to quieten down. If you do not, he may ask you to leave.
They are within their rights to do so.
The Ontolog Forum is really a room in Peter’s home. The door is
open, on it there is a sign that says “Computational Ontology Discussion Room” and
there is an open invitation, it has glass walls so anyone can see what is going
on inside. It can look very like a public space, but actually it isn’t.
Many of us forget this from time to time, either going off
topic, or being overly sharp in our responses. When Peter reminds us that we have
strayed, we should remember that it is his house and we are his guests.
Regards
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Steve Ray,
Since you are the Chair, please ask Peter to accept her "apology"
and be graceful.
What is the harassment policy on this forum?
This forum should be not be used for personal attacks or to humiliate anyone!
( Please note that I have referred this email to Steve Ray and not to Peter
and I do not expect a reply from Peter on this either).
Regards,
Pavithra
--- On Fri, 1/29/10, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
From: Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ontolog-forum] [OT] Paola di Maio fiasco [was - Re: Knowledge,
Options and Institutions]
To: paoladimaio10@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 11:37 PM
Paola,
> [PdM] I apologise for sharing a link without commenting/annotation
to
> make its relevance more explicit
[ppy] don't apologize, but instead, please allow us to get back in
focus, and run a high quality, high signal-to-noise collaborative
environment by heeding some of my earlier suggestions (e.g. the
statements that I started with "Please: ..." under:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2010-01/msg00207.html#nid07
).
> [PdM] Whats the best way for ontolog community members of
sharing/pointing
> to a knowledge resources if not posting them to list?
[ppy] that would depend on what one would like to share. If it is
relevant to the list, share it on the list. If it belongs more to a
social network setting, share it on facebook, linkedin, ... etc. ...
Ref. that book you were posting about, I trust you have done some
further reading, and maybe after the first 20 pages, you might already
have discovered that this is more relevant to, say, "Knowledge
Management," "Knowledge Economy" or even "Technology and
Society" than
to "practical issues and strategies associated with the development
and application of ontologies," then you should find the more
appropriate community to share your insight (*after* you have gain
some insight) with the relevant community. On your post, your cited:
"Rating: (not yet rated) 0 with reviews - Be the first" ... so,
there
you go! ... Amazon.com carries this book too, and has only one review
so far. You can try there too, it has communities built around various
subject matters, and can definitely offer you a much larger audience
than here.
> [PdM] I did not have the time to write up a commentary
yesterday, and
> wanted to capture the reference as I was on it and before it got lost
...
[ppy] Try keeping a notebook (paper of electronic), start a blog, ...
do something else, don't do it at the expense of the entire Ontolog
community, please. ... Maybe the majority of us don't like to hear you
"think out loud" and that is causing much of the tension, and
Ontolog
is losing highly respected members of the ontology community because
of it. Can't you see that I am fighting you because you are hurting
this community (and not because of "mind control" or whatever you
suspect i am doing)?
> [PdM] Collaborative knowledge creation starts with sharing
resources...
[ppy] sure ... but you should be mindful that Ontolog Forum has a
mission. As an extreme example, sharing cooking recipes with a
community would foster "collaborative knowledge creation" and
result
in better cooking for many (I'm certain,) but it would be totally
inappropriate here.
PAOLA ... you are a very smart woman, actually too smart for me to
know how to handle, as the convener of this forum. If you are asking
simple questions like the ones above, and cannot respect even very
straight forward requests, it is either:
(a) you genuinely don't know better ... which I don't think is the
case,
(b) you think it's funny ... which I doubt; the rest of the
community probably doesn't think this is amusing either,
(c) you feel you have a right to do whatever you like here, at the
expense of everyone else, and you have no respect for the hosting this
party, or
(d) you are being disruptive ... and if that is truly the case, you
had better leave the party.
While you enjoy being the center of attention. Personally, I just want
to quietly support a community of practice that wants to move the
Ontolog Charter forward; therefore, please don't try to make me repeat
my position over and over again. The only sure way to get to be the
center of attention in this community is to be *really* good
ontologist. Being rowdy will just get you kicked out.
Please take note: being a part of this community is a privilege (that
goes for *everyone* in the community), not a right!
Regards. =ppy
Peter Yim
Co-convener, ONTOLOG
--
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 4:37 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>
> Mr Peter
>
> I apologise for sharing a link without commenting/annotation to make its
> relevance more explicit
>
> Whats the best way for ontolog community members of sharing/pointing to
a
> knowledge resources if not posting them to list?
>
> I did not have the time to write up a commentary yesterday,
and wanted to
> capture the reference as I was on it and before it got lost
> to the sea of references, others may be able to comment in the
meantime, i
> ll get back to it later (maybe two years )
>
> Collaborative knowledge creation starts with sharing resources...
>
>
>
>
>
> PDM
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Ms. Paola,
>>
>>
>> Ontolog is neither a book club, nor a social network. It is possible
>> that this is a great book (although making that conclusion after 20
>> pages for an almost 400 page book may seem a little premature) but
>> that is *not relevant* ... the way you brought it up, and how far it
>> is removed from our chartered discussion, just makes you post
"noise'
>> rather than "signal."
>>
>> Can't you detect the similarity in the way you made this post with
>> example (A) in my earlier request (ref.
>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2010-01/msg00207.html#nid07
>> ), a M.O. which I was imploring the community to try to avoid, so we
>> can improve on the signal-to-noise ratio on this forum?
>>
>> I am certain this will be of interest to some people, and is a very
>> appropriate post in a different setting ... so, *please*, take this,
>> and other similar conversation of yours elsewhere.
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance. =ppy
>>
>> Peter Yim
>> Co-convener, ONTOLOG
>> --
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > <label: to be read in the context of other forum posts>
>> >
>> > I am reading pages 19-20 of this great book online, and
although I do
>> > not have the time to offer any sensible commentary at the
moment, I thought
>> > I would share
>> >
>> > some of you may enjoy reading the commentary that pertains to
some of
>> > the threads under discussion
>> >
>> > PDM
>> >
>> > Knowledge, options, and institutions
>> >
>> > Author: Bruce Mitchel Kogut
>> > Publisher: Oxford ; New York : Oxford University Press, 2008.
>> > Edition/Format: Book : EnglishView all editions and formats
>> > Rating:
>> >
>> > (not yet rated) 0 with reviews - Be the first.
>> >
>> > insane uris for online version (auch)
>> >
>> >
>> > http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=d5Ba6MsLWGcC&lpg=PP1&ots=tkzAGzQFOK&dq=Knowledge%20and%20the%20speed%20of%20the%20transfer%20and%20imitation%20of%20organizational%20capabilities%3A%20an%20empirical%20test&pg=PA19#v=onepage&q=Knowledge%20and%20the%20speed%20of%20the%20transfer%20and%20imitation%20of%20organizational%20capabilities:%20an%20empirical%20test&f=false
>> >
>> > <iframe frameborder="0" scrolling="no"
style="border:0px"
>> > src="" href="http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=d5Ba6MsLWGcC&lpg=PP1&ots=tkzAGzQFOK&dq=Knowledge%20and%20the%20speed%20of%20the%20transfer%20and%20imitation%20of%20organizational%20capabilities%3A%20an%20empirical%20test&pg=PA19&output=embed" target="_blank">http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=d5Ba6MsLWGcC&lpg=PP1&ots=tkzAGzQFOK&dq=Knowledge%20and%20the%20speed%20of%20the%20transfer%20and%20imitation%20of%20organizational%20capabilities%3A%20an%20empirical%20test&pg=PA19&output=embed"
>> > width=500 height=500></iframe>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Paola Di Maio
>> > **************************************************
>> > “Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you
everywhere.”
>> > Albert Einstein
>> > **************************************************
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