Paola asks,
sure...
but wait....who is suppose[d] to identify purpose and usage?
Why the disinterested third party, of
course, also called the knowledge broker or the systemist.
OBTW, it is not very funny when the
building inspector is the brother of the guy pouring the concrete. The remedy to
earthquake damage is not only flexible structures but also non-collusive
foundations.
Caution -- War Story: A few years
back I had to unscramble 250 Use Cases in order to get a $12 million software
development project back on track. In the process I discovered that if the Sales
Dept. quit using promotions (which HBR had just revealed were almost always
detrimental to net income) then the IT department wouldn't need to build the
system. I suggested to the customer project executive that the Sales VP be
trained then the project be cancelled. Nope, they elected to spend the $12
Million.
Also, thanks to Doug McDavid for reminding
me that 'tool pushers' hang out in IT departments as well as oil
drilling rigs. I had forgotten that.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 10:33
AM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] stakeholders
first?
I think this indicates that the
prudent ontologist will make identification of stakeholders Step 2 in the
process. After the Purpose and Usage are clarfied in Step 1, then the dozen
or more types of stakeholders can be identified then the six dozen or
more classes of stakeholders can be stated.
sure...
but wait....who is suppose to identify purpose and usage?
(whoever that is, that is also a stakeholder )
and of course, iterating
ad libitum...
Often we find that the
stakeholders are the problem, therefore it is the stakeholder] set that
must be morphed over time.
this is very funny
indeed!
----- Original Message -----
Sent:
Friday, November 13, 2009 8:31 AM
Subject:
[ontolog-forum] stakeholders
Jack, Alexander
What criteria will you use to identify
stakeholders and from who/where will such criteria
come?
There is a discipline that we teach, (profess??) called
'stakeholder management'.....
we consider the step fundamental to
all systems modelling activities, too often disregarded.
Seems to me your first step could lead you
into a semantic swamp. well, not
defining who should answer questions leads to all sorts of other
swamps......
stakeholders is a
misused term, IMHO. I would rather talk about domain experts, within
that fauna u have different types of domain experts.
and we have different categories of stakeholders, domain
experts being one of them :-)
figuring out who is a domain expert depends on the
actual task, what is the onto going to be used for -this comes from my
experience, probably others have different views on this depending on
their experiences.
intended users are also stakeholders
Its a choice,
like all other things in life :-)
PDM
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Jack Ring <jring@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Paola,
What criteria will you use to identify
stakeholders and from who/where will such criteria come?
Isn't the sequence Exchange of knowledge
--> Selection of relevant knowledge --> Application of pertinent
knowledge?
Seems to me your first step could lead
you into a semantic swamp.
Jack
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Original Message -----
Sent:
Friday, November 13, 2009 8:02 AM
Subject:
Re: [ontolog-forum] Garcia's Ontology development method
Yep, but who should answer the question? The
first step in my book is 'identify the stakeholders' then ask
the question etc etc
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Jack Ring
<jring@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Alexander,
Thanks for this.
In Step 1 it
is essential to gain semiotic coherence with users who may
not
understand or know how to read ontologies. Have you
considered CMap,
http://cmap.ihmc.us or other concept mapping aid
in this step?
Jack Ring
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From: "Alexander Garcia" <cagarcia@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent:
Friday, November 13, 2009 3:52 AM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum]
Ontology development method
> Hi Marc,
check:
> www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-2105-7-267.pdf
[...]
>
A quick sumary for developing ontologies:
>
> Step 1:
The first step involves addressing straightforward
questions
> such as: what is the ontology going to be used
for? How is the
> ontology ultimately going to be used by
the software implementation?
> What do we want the ontology
to be aware of, and what is the scope of
> the knowledge we
want to have in the
ontology?
[..]
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