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Re: [ontolog-forum] stakeholders first?

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From: Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:33:24 +0000
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 I think this indicates that the prudent ontologist will make identification of stakeholders Step 2 in the process. After the Purpose and Usage are clarfied in Step 1, then the dozen or more types of stakeholders can be identified then the six dozen or more classes of stakeholders can be stated.

sure...
but wait....who is suppose to identify purpose and usage? (whoever that is, that is also a stakeholder )

and of course, iterating ad libitum...

  Often we find that the stakeholders are the problem, therefore it is the stakeholder] set that must be morphed over time.

this is very funny indeed!




 
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Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:31 AM
Subject: [ontolog-forum] stakeholders

Jack, Alexander




What criteria will you use to identify stakeholders and from who/where will such criteria come?

There is a discipline that we teach, (profess??)  called 'stakeholder management'.....

we consider the step fundamental to all systems modelling activities, too often disregarded.

 

Seems to me your first step could lead you into a semantic swamp.

well, not defining who should answer questions  leads to all sorts of other swamps......




stakeholders is a misused term, IMHO. I would rather talk about domain experts, within that fauna u have different types of domain experts.


and we have different categories of stakeholders, domain experts being one of them :-)


 
figuring out who is a domain expert depends on the actual task, what is the onto going to be used for -this comes from my experience, probably others have different views on this depending on their experiences.


intended users are also stakeholders


Its a choice, like all other things in life :-)


PDM

 

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Jack Ring <jring@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Paola,
What criteria will you use to identify stakeholders and from who/where will such criteria come?
Isn't the sequence Exchange of knowledge --> Selection of relevant knowledge --> Application of pertinent knowledge?
Seems to me your first step could lead you into a semantic swamp.
Jack
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Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Garcia's Ontology development method


Yep, but who should answer the question?
The first step in my book is 'identify the stakeholders'

then ask the question  etc etc


On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Jack Ring <jring@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Alexander,
Thanks for this.
In Step 1 it is essential to gain semiotic coherence with users who may not
understand or know how to read ontologies. Have you considered CMap,
http://cmap.ihmc.us or other concept mapping aid in this step?
Jack Ring
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From: "Alexander Garcia" <cagarcia@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 3:52 AM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Ontology development method


> Hi Marc, check:
> www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-2105-7-267.pdf
[...]
> A quick sumary for developing ontologies:
>
> Step 1: The first step involves addressing straightforward questions
> such as: what is the ontology going to be used for? How is the
> ontology ultimately going to be used by the software implementation?
> What do we want the ontology to be aware of, and what is the scope of
> the knowledge we want to have in the ontology?
[..]



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