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Re: [ontolog-forum] from logical intuitions to natural logic2.

To: paoladimaio10@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: "Rob Akscyn" <ra33@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:12:17 +1300 (NZDT)
Message-id: <50379.70.134.64.201.1255716737.squirrel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Hi Paola,    (01)

An interesting note. It suggests that this is a topic about which you'd like to 
dialog,
further (to more fully explore the concept).    (02)

I am interested in it as well. If you would wish to do that outside of the forum
(which is how I think a more-than-minor dialog should be done) just let me know.    (03)

Sincerely,
     Rob
**************    (04)

> I am not particularly competent in logic per se, and find discussions on the
> topic indeed  a bit too much on the heavy side but yesterday I had the
> pleasure to listen to a talk by Pieters Seuren (only bits of which I could
> grasp - which makes me want to study more)
>
> He made some points that I can relate to, with reference to discussions on
> this and sw fora
> (apologies for the poor wording, I have not had the time to elaborate, the
> sentences below are imprecise paraphrasing and possibly even incorrect)
>
> 1. logic is not a mathematical constructs, although mathematics is used to
> express it/represent it/compute logic.
> So  logic exists  in human/natural language (John Sowa has made this point
> many times here) .
>
> 2. Pieter hypothesizes that some 'non western' populations indeed may have
> different logical systems/constructs (reference to my claim that 'chinese
> logic' in the related thread in 2007 (I remember that cause I was on my way
> to china when we had the discussion). Pieter points out that its still an
> hypothesis, but some observations to that effect have been made. (I am very
> interested because I have made similar observations, although I cannot
> explain/justify what I see very well)
>
> He also mentioned that from what he sees/understands of logic constructs
> used in IT, they are not always sound/fit for purpose
>
> The above points are very loosely paraphrased and likely to be debatable een
> in the original wording, but the arguments he made seemed convincing
> I am sure some of it  would shed additional light on ongoing discussions
>
> The first chapter of his recent book is entitled 'Natural Ontology', and I
> wonder it may be related to some of the points made earlier
> Should  Ontolog  invite Pieter to give a presentation of his new work, where
> relevant to the forum
>
> (btw , what happened to Steve Wolfram? is he still an option?)
>
> The handout for thet talk yesterday is posted below, fyi
>
> http://www.lel.ed.ac.uk/events/lcircle/abs/SeurenPaper.pdf
>
>
>
> best
> PDM
>
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