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Dear Ravi,
This subject interest me, because I find that our
concepts of what is abstract is a function of the distance between us as
observers and the object deemed to be abstract. At our scale we have a limited
range of observation and whjat is in our focus is sen clearly and defintie
as a pattern. If the object is out of focus, we cannot idnetify the form, but
soem proeprties of the object. It is always asumed that we can identify
soemhting that is perceived as a whole, nd what is seen as a whole
must have the boundaries, contours, the start and enddelimiters. then we are at
our right scale, human perception and sizes, mesurements. Whatever is beyond
that either being too big hence not seen as a whole, or too small, hence
disappearing from sight is seen as abstract. therefore the property abstract is
relaltive and we have abstractions that should always be complete and total,
in other words oen or a whole, otherwise we have a problem.
So a relation is complete if you have two objects
associated with it
A property is complete if you have an object
associated with
And an object is complete if it has relation and
proeprty aqssociated with it.i
And a (archaic or proto) concept is complete
becasue it has three facets, namely object, relation and
property.
Also, my earlier posting with the
glossary
Regards, frank
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Ferenc
Purna is the Sanskrit name for Whole or Completeness and in Indian
Philosophies, it is difficult concept to realize but easier to conceptualize -
it is conceived as made of both numerable and innumerable combinations e.g. 1=
1/2+1/2=14+3/4=1/8+1/8+1/4 etc. but the concept of Whole is infinite because
you can take whole from the whole and still be left with whole in infinite
sense.
This is the origin of not only the Whole Numbers but also of Decimals and
what is known in the West as Arabic numbers 1-9 as the Arabs learned it (from
their East or from Indo-European Sanskrit language?).
In terms of neurology-cognition, it is a very developed state,
philosophically.
On mundane level show one apple to a patient and they raise one
finger in response, two apples and two fingers, etc.
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Thanks.
Ravi
(Dr. Ravi Sharma)
313 204 1740 Mobile
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 4:56 PM, FERENC KOVACS <f.kovacs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Thank you Ravi,
What I am expecting to find is that the concept
of a whole or one or completeness that must be part of the learning
exercise, whether asociated with a short tag or a long strech identifying a
chunk of reality.
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Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 9:02
PM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] just
been brought to my attention
Ferenc
Possible neurocognition ides: transliteration, alternate expressions,
synonyms, sense change such as see and respond by talk, or text to visual
cues - these are some of the neurocognitive possible testing areas. I
am not working on these but these are some from old scripts in Upanishads
etc that I am learning from.
Implicit is the presence of observers, interpreters when the subject
responds or the sensor that measures the response to stimulus (PET
Mapping?).
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Thanks.
Ravi
(Dr. Ravi Sharma)
313 204 1740
Mobile
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