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Re: [ontolog-forum] The costs and benefits of research (and the grammar)

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From: Christopher Menzel <cmenzel@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:53:49 -0500
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On Jun 2, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Ed Barkmeyer wrote:
> Chris Menzel wrote:
>> Completely off topic, but...
>> On Jun 2, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Patrick Cassidy wrote:
>>> ...I and my coworkers would very much appreciate the gesture.
>> Interacting with college kids as much as I do, this sentence now
>> almost sounds ungrammatical to me! :-)
> Now, there we have a second difference in the later generation.  I
> remember being taught that "I and my coworkers" sounds wrong because  
> it
> is _impolite_!    (01)

Right!  I have a very vague memory of being taught this in grammar  
school -- post-1960, but not by much!    (02)

> "In polite discourse" [meaning from about 1780 to 1960],
> "my coworkers and I would appreciate..." is proper, because one always
> puts oneself last.  Having departed from that polity, it seems quite
> reasonable to see "me and my coworkers would appreciate ..." as the de
> facto grammar of the 21st century American language.    (03)

I used to find it jarring and now hardly notice, even though I'm a bit  
of a grammar snoot.  I still take some pride in the fact that I have  
yet actually to slip and *say* "Me and my ..."! :-)    (04)

-chris    (05)

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