Well this thread is veering in directions I wouldn't have expected but
has wandered into an area I can contribute to. As the father of
triplets, multiple birth siblings often develop their own language
before acquiring any proficiency in their parents' native tongue. Thus,
they "babble" at each other but it's clear from their actions that there
is some degree of communication achieved. This babbling decreases as
their parents language is learned, starting around 15 months, varying
with birth weight. I would not venture to guess what primitives babbling
contains. Of note, when just gaining some proficiency in their parents'
language, they understand each other much better than we parents do,
thus allowing the most proficient toddler to translate for her siblings. (01)
Don Conklin
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Sort of agree. The symbols they use are far from perfect. For example
- my 3 year old daughter asks me for dot-dot milk when we go to
starbucks. Of course she wants "chocolate" milk but a computer would
not be able to understand the way a human does ( and prbably not be
more inclined to buy it for her based on the fact it was cute the way
she asked for it). (04)
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On 20-Apr-09, at 20:44, "Richard H. McCullough" <rhm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote: (06)
> Dick McCullough
> http://mkrmke.org
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>>
>> Remember the line that Amanda mentioned and I highlighted:
>>
>> Ontology is fractal.
>>
>> That means that the amount of detail that is necessary at each
>> level is the same at every level you examine. That implies that
>> we will need something of the size of WordNet for every topic
>> of every branch of human knowledge and activity. The completely
>> precise version you are asking for will dwarf the current WWW.
>>
>> Yet a child at the age of 3 has a command of language that is
>> far better than any computer system today. And that child
>> doesn't need Cyc or WordNet or formal logic. I believe we
>> should focus on what makes a child smart -- and it's not Cyc
>> or anything remotely like it.
>>
> <RHM>
>> From what I've read about childhood development,
> young children use a very simple language of their own.
> Words in a sentence may be in no particular order, or
> they may use a simple "pivot" grammar. Their concepts
> are very primitive, and tied to specific examples from
> their own sensory experiences.
> Most of my reading was in Piaget, many years ago.
> I don't remember the details of what changes occur
> at what ages.
>>
>> John Sowa
>>
>
>
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