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> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ed Barkmeyer
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> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Is there something I missed?
> Mike Bergman wrote:
> > IMO stuff here recently is getting seriously untracked. Is this
> > the [ontolog-forum], the [sophistry-forum], the
> > [arrogance-forum], the [put-down-forum] or the [do-nothing-forum]?
> It is most assuredly the [arrogance-forum], as this exchange alone
> demonstrates. ;-) Chris Welty's posting simply allowed a temporary
> release of accumulated steam pressure. The engine itself remains on
> whatever track it was on. But I myself argued that it is the
> [do-nothing-forum]; I don't know whether the track leads to anywhere.
> > I appreciate sitting at the feet of the masters, but it is
> > tiresome to be subjected to re-treaded and tiresome tirades.
> And I daresay the masters have a similar view of the pupils. As I
> sometimes teacher, I can say that it is great to deal with enquiring
> minds and nurse them through complex areas, but quite tiresome to deal
> repeatedly with the misconceptions of aggressive "bookful blockheads,
> ignorantly read". But when I am teaching, I can't let them mislead
> > How about constant ad hominem attacks on Cyc, OWL,
> > semWeb, RDF, you name it? Is self-interest only a direct
> > relationship with ownership or authorship?
> I wasn't aware that critiques of Cyc, OWL, etc., were "attacks".
> If one is apostolic about those works, one may see them as "attacks",
> and one may somehow see them as "ad hominem", when in fact the critique
> is "ad rem". But correct identification of deficiencies in a design or
> in its ability to solve the target problem is just honesty in
> engineering. It is generally viewed as good engineering practice to
> consider cost effectiveness and to document limitations.
> I strongly believe that the knowledge engineering/ontology community
> generally has many more and different concerns from the stated intent of
> the Semantic Web. SemWeb is about creating and using knowledge models
> to mark up documents (and other resources) in order to improve
> information searches. Most prior knowledge engineering was aimed at
> facilitating decision-making by automated means. Those are different
> ideas, and there is only some overlap in the requirements on the
> underlying technologies. In Mike's own terms, "trusting our business to
> <a knowledge engineering activity>" is NOT a SemWeb concern. So we
> might find it useful to sort some of this out, lest we become Pope's
> "bookful blockheads" in our own right.
> <tiresome tirade>
> The fact that the search for funding for active research causes certain
> persons to paint their work "Semantic Web technology" confuses more than
> the funding sources, and begets some off-base critiques. It is an
> inherent property of buzzword-based funding, and as long as ignorant
> managers continue to do that, the behavior will repeat.
> </tiresome tirade>
> > My goodness; where has grace and humility gone?
> Psychological studies have shown that forms of encounter that eliminate
> direct personal confrontation (such as email exploders) make it easier
> for people to cast off socially supportive behaviors, like grace and
> humility. The times they are a-changin', and not always for the better.
> P.S. I apologize to anyone who has been annoyed by any of my tiresome
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