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Re: [ontolog-forum] Next steps in using ontologies as standards

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From: "Azamat" <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:39:57 +0200
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For looking to read special articles, there is something here: 
http://www.cnbc.cmu.edu/faculty/just.shtml.
An example, how ontological ignorance leads to "pathological science", 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathological_science. Additionally to water 
memory, cold fusion, N-rays, now enjoy the "thought identification 
technology" with its confused fan in one packet.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wacek Kusnierczyk" <Waclaw.Marcin.Kusnierczyk@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Next steps in using ontologies as standards    (01)


> Azamat wrote:
>> Ian,
>> The referential model of meaning had its use when semantics was in the 
>> stage
>> of conception. Today, the extensional models are largely irrelevant to 
>> the
>> challenges of the complex world.
>>
>> There is a hot topic in neuroscience called "mind reading" with fMRI, 
>> aiming
>> to use neuroimaging techniques to read the brain activation patterns by
>> detecting blood flow in the brain areas. Recently, it was widely 
>> published
>> that the technique of neural information processing affords reading your
>> thoughts and intentions by means of scanners:
>> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/31/60minutes/main4694713_page2.shtml.
>> Such a poor alchemy comes from two main reasons: bad ontology and 
>> defective
>> semantics.
>>
>
> have you read any articles published by Just or colleagues in
> peer-reviewed scientific journals before puffing up your
> pseudoontological bubbles?  if you're making such strong judgements
> based on superficial news in cbs, it's far from a scientific approach.
>
> vQ
>
>> Good ontology posits that there are at least three worlds: the physical
>> world of material entities (as living organisms with brain processes); 
>> the
>> mental world of experiences as thought processes; the meaningful world of
>> the thought contents (institutions, languages, works of arts, social 
>> norms,
>> laws, etc.). Semantically, we have two related but distinct realms here, 
>> the
>> universe of extension and denotation and reference (res extensa) and the
>> universe of intension and connotation. Neglecting or mixing the worlds, 
>> as
>> brain processes with cognitive operations as thought experience 
>> (subjective
>> meaning, res cogitans), and the thought processes with the thought's
>> contents (objective meanings), can lead you to all sorts of pseudoscience
>> and fictitious creations, as Just's "thought identification technology",
>> just exciting for national security agencies and laymen.
>>
>
>
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