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Re: [ontolog-forum] orthogonal

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From: Todd Schneider <tschneider@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:03:22 -0500
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Pat,    (01)

What might be analogous to 'orthogonality' is logical independence.    (02)

Todd    (03)

> At 9:10 AM -0500 3/4/08, Alan Ruttenberg wrote:
>> As used in the OBO Foundry, orthogonality is better first understood 
>> on a term by term basis. Adding a term that is trivially redundant 
>> with another one, by denoting the same thing, is the first thing to 
>> avoid. Less trivially, if there is a way to logically define the new 
>> terms in terms of existing ones, then not doing so leads to a 
>> situation where two users might denote the same thing in two 
>> unconnected ways: Using the new term, or using the compound of
>> existing terms. This is also to be avoided, if possible.
> 
> That all sounds reasonable. What has it got to do 
> with the topic of the question?
> 
>> The reason to avoid these situations is that one typically uses an 
>> ontology to mediate queries and it is desirable to have any query 
>> return all relevant answers. Having two ways to say the same thing 
>> means that the user needs to know both ways to ask the question, and 
>> this puts a higher burden on learning and using the ontology.
> 
> Quite. I repeat, what has this got to do with 
> 'orthogonality' (whatever that is supposed to 
> mean)?
> 
>> Generalizing to orthogonality between ontologies, we'd understand two 
>> ontologies as being orthogonal if no term in one is orthogonal to the
>> other ontology, in the senses above.
> 
> You havn't GIVEN a 'sense above'.
> 
> Also, this reads oddly. Two ontologies are foodle 
> if NO term in one is foodle to the other? Are you 
> sure that is what you meant to say?
> 
>> -Alan
>> (preparing to take cover ;-)
> 
> No, don't take cover. Just tell us what the hell you are talking about.
> 
> Pat
> 
>> On Mar 4, 2008, at 8:42 AM, Bill Andersen wrote:
>>
>>>  It's a category error to apply the notion of orthogonality to
>>>  ontologies since ontologies are not vectors.
>>>
>>>  More informally speaking, there may be some sort of linguistic-based
>>>  heuristic notion you're after but you'd have to say what that might be
>>>  and what you want to do with it.
>>>
>>>  Bill Andersen
>>>  Ontology Works, Inc.
>>>  3600 O'Donnell Street, Suite 600
>>>  Baltimore, MD  21224
>>>  +1.410.675.1204 (w)
>>>  +1.410.675.1201 (f)
>>>  +1.443.858.6444 (m)
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Mar 4, 2008, at 5:31 AM, "Alexander Garcia Castro" 
>>>  <alexgarciac@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>  Hopefully this is not so out of focus. I am looking for a definition
>>>>  for orthogonality. When are ontologies orthogonal? Any body who can
>>>>  recommend me some good papers about orthogonal ontologies? Is there
>>>>  a measure for orthogonality?
>>>>
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