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Re: [ontolog-forum] Model or Reality

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Cc: Jerry Hobbs <hobbs@xxxxxxx>
From: Ingvar Johansson <ingvar.johansson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:50:09 +0200
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Pat Hayes schrieb:
>> Causality slips in in the guise of force, which is central.
> Nah, not classical causality. The cause is always before the effect, 
> right?     (01)

No, it is not. There are several philosophers who argue - starting the 
way you do below - that cause and effect have to be simultaneous (but 
that it is still a matter of causality). I happen to be one among them;  
see my "Ontological Investigations" (Routledge 1989, ontos verlag 2004), 
chapter 12 ("Efficient Causality").    (02)

Best wishes,
Ingvar Johansson    (03)

> Well, suppose you push against a wall. The wall pushes back 
> (Newton 2nd law), which is why nothing moves. Did your force cause 
> the reaction force? Seems intuitively clear that it did. But it can't 
> possibly precede it, unless the wall moved and then moved back.
> BTW, I didn't know you were reading this stuff, Jerry. Id better be 
> more careful what I say :-)
> Pat
>> -- Jerry
>       (04)

Ingvar Johansson
IFOMIS, Saarland University
     home site: http://ifomis.org/
     personal home site:
     http://hem.passagen.se/ijohansson/index.html      (05)

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