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Re: [ontolog-forum] {Disarmed} Re: OWL and lack of identifiers

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From: Waclaw Kusnierczyk <Waclaw.Marcin.Kusnierczyk@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:21:28 +0200
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Re: Steve Newcomb's post on Topic Maps (14 Apr 2007 12:54:31)    (01)

An interesting post with lots of solid remarks.  I have one question, 
though.    (02)

You say:    (03)

> All that the Topic Maps Reference Model is saying is that
> self-disclosing information necessarily includes certain disclosure(s)
> of the context(s) within which it expresses specific meaning(s).  The 
> model does NOT require that anything in particular means anything in
> particular.  Conformance to it merely means that opinions about the
> meanings of particular expressions in particular contexts are
> knowable.    (04)

If I understand what you're saying, the point is that an expression
should always be provided with a context in which it can/should be
interpreted.  With such a context, it is possible to find out what it is
that the expression is intended to be a proxy of.    (05)

It appears to me that in most circumstances you will not be able to
provide the context, but rather a proxy, another expression describing
the context.  Now we get the pains of infinite regress:  to know what
the context is, the expression intended to be a proxy of the context has
to be provided with a context (another proxy, I guess), and so on.  With
a finite and ungrounded representational artifact, it means that it
would be impossible to interpret any expression.    (06)

The only way out that I can see is to assume, at some iteration, that
the interpreter will itself/himself/herself interpret the expression (be
it the primary expression or any of its context-...-contexts) in the
correct way, that is, that the interpreter is able to (or is forced to,
by its nature) apply the correct context.    (07)

But if such assumption has to be made, then I see no reason, in
principle, for why it would be reasonable to assume that the interpreter
can apply the correct context for interpreting an expression's context
expression, but it/he/she cannot apply the correct context for
interpreting the primary expression without it being enclosed in a
context-expression.    (08)

Could you justify your point?  (Or explain where I am wrong, if I am.)    (09)

Regards,
Wacek    (010)

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Wacek Kusnierczyk    (011)

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-- 
Wacek Kusnierczyk    (014)

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Department of Information and Computer Science (IDI)
Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU)
Sem Saelandsv. 7-9
7027 Trondheim
Norway    (015)

tel.   0047 73591875
fax    0047 73594466
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