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From: "Peter Yim" <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:50:17 -0700
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ERRATA:    (01)

> I am copying this to the [ontolog-forum] (and am requesting this,
> and similar issues of community interest, over the list) so that
> more people can chip in and even more may benefit from the
> discourse.    (02)

I meant to say:
"I am copying this to the [ontolog-forum] (and am requesting this, and
similar issues of community interest, be discussed over the mailing
list) so that more
people can chip in and even more may benefit from the discourse."    (03)

(also updating the subject line to better reflect the message content.)    (04)

Cheers.  =ppy
--    (05)


On 9/20/06, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Matthew & Tatiana et. al,
>
> This is a good conversation (referencing Tatiana's remarks on
> Matthew's The Ontology and Databases Landscape diagram - see:
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?DatabaseAndOntology#nidQ27).    (06)

> I am copying this to the [ontolog-forum] (and am requesting this, and
> similar issues of community interest, over the list) so that more
> people can chip in and even more may benefit from the discourse.    (07)

> As far as "what is 'ontology'?" goes, I just wanted to highlight, for
> those who have joined more recently, that, as a community, we have
> adopted the definitions as brought up by Leo Obrst (on several
> occasions, but notably on his two part presentation back in Jan. 2006
> - ref: 
>http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_01_12#nidOHT)
> ... I guess we'll be discussing more on this specific issue when Steve
> Ray et. al starts moving into the "Ontology Measurement and
> Evaluation" series, right?    (08)

> Thank you for the illuminating discussion. ... please continue.
>
> Regards.  =ppy
> --    (09)


> On 9/20/06, matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx <matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Dear Tatiana,
> >
> > Thank you for your comments. You said:    (010)

> > 1.      Ontology is a formal representation of Information Requirements and 
>the relationship between these two nodes is maybe Presented rather than About.
>
> > That is not what I meant when I used the word ontology.
>
> > For me (and I believe traditionally) ontology is about what exists, rather
> > than about information requirements. The formal representation of 
>information
> > requirements is traditionally the domain of data models (used in the design
> > of databases). I was already anticipating that information requirements 
>would
> > be formally represented. So I was trying to say:
>
> > - Start by making a statement of what exists
> > - Identify your information requirements about those things (put it in a
> >   data model)
> > - Implement a database based on the data model
> > - Develop an HCI that provides access to the data
> > - develop interfaces between databases for data sharing.    (011)

> > Additionally,
> >
> > - One of the things you may have information requirements for are 
>ontologies,
> > - So you need to identify your information requirements for ontologies
> > - Some databases will be implementations of those requirements
>
> > I hope that clarifies my intended use of terminology.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Matthew    (012)


> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Tatiana Malyuta [mailto:tmalyuta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: 19 September 2006 18:30
> > > To: Bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; peter.yim@xxxxxxxx; lobrst@xxxxxxxxx;
> > > ray@xxxxxxxx; West, Matthew R SIPC-DFC/D21; dbedford@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Cc: dnickull@xxxxxxxxx; conrad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; rexb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: Ontolog call 2006.09.21
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Here you can find attached a file with a functional view of
> > > relationships between ontology and database.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > Tatiana
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tatiana Malyuta, PhD
> > > Associate Professor
> > > Computer Systems Technology Department
> > > New York City College of Technology
> > >
> > > attachment transcribed to: 
>http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?DatabaseAndOntology#nidQBN
>    (013)

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