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From: David C Martin <dcmartin@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:31:31 -0700
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I would concur with the assessment and think you have other supporters of that 
infrastructure as a starting point for encoding the logical semantics of the 
underlying XML structure.    (01)

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Subject: [ontolog-forum]  FW: [xml-dev] RE: description of the logical or 
semantic structure    (03)

I posted the response below to the XML-DEV list yesterday in response to
a question concerning XML and semantics. I recommended use of a
reference to an OWL class (or property of a class) via an attribute on
an element in an XML instance document that provides the necessary
semantics for the element (in this case, a person's full name).    (04)

Is this approach radical? New? Valuable? Outlandish? Comments welcome.    (05)

Joe    (06)

Joseph Chiusano
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:10 PM
To: Michael Kay; ludger goeke; xml-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [xml-dev] RE: description of the logical or semantic
structure    (09)

> No, the tags in your markup are arbitrary strings. It's your
> description of the markup "When I say Name, I mean personal name" that    (010)

> conveys the semantics. There's arguably a default description "When I
> use a tag that's an English word, I use it with the same meaning as
> that English word", but that's still something that's external to the
> XML document itself.
> The tags have no meaning without an external explanation of their
> intent and usage.    (011)

Not sure if anyone is doing this (or has thought about it), but it seems
to me that if one included a reference (URI) to an instance of an OWL
class (or property of a class) then that can be a step in the right
direction.    (012)

So perhaps one could have:    (013)

<Name owl-ref="www.someuri.com">Peter Smith</Name>    (014)

where "owl-ref" (attribute name simply chosen by me for this response)
refers to an OWL class/property that conveys that "This is the full name
of a Person".    (015)

Joe    (016)

Joseph Chiusano
Associate
Booz Allen Hamilton    (017)

700 13th St. NW
Washington, DC 20005
O: 202-508-6514
C: 202-251-0731
Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com    (018)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Kay [mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 7:51 AM
> To: 'ludger goeke'; xml-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [xml-dev] RE: description of the logical or semantic
> structure
>
> > <Person>
> >    <Name>Peter Smith</Name>
> >    <Age>56</Age>
> > </Person>
> >
> >
> > Does the markup describes  the content for example  "Peter
> Smith" in a
> > semantic way, that means does it describes that the content "Peter
> > Smith" has the semantic of a name
>
> No, the tags in your markup are arbitrary strings. It's your
> description of the markup "When I say Name, I mean personal name" that    (019)

> conveys the semantics. There's arguably a default description "When I
> use a tag that's an English word, I use it with the same meaning as
> that English word", but that's still something that's external to the
> XML document itself.
> The tags have no meaning without an external explanation of their
> intent and usage.
> Without that explanation, the above XML fragment could mean "Launch an    (020)

> attack on Cuba NOW!".
>
> Michael Kay
>
>
>
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